[pointsal]

Why am I paying a utility fee so some greenie in Malibu can have solar?

[NormsRevenge]

The Public Utility Commission would decide how electricity consumers pay into the incentive fund, most likely with a new fee on utility bills.

[NormsRevenge]

fyi

[dalereed]

It's time to quit subsidising expensive power and take the restrictions off of nukes and replace gas powered generators with nuke generators.

As far as i'm concerned all electricity in this country should be either hydro or nuke generated.

[John Jorsett]

I thought John Campbell had more sense than to sign on to attempts to force the marketplace to go somewhere it doesn't want to. Johnnie, Johnnie, Johnnie. Why have you forsaken us?

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

Well so much for "Mr. Free-Market". I guess he didn't learn much from Gov. Davis' failed reign. Govt. can't sovlve problems, they only make them worse. What a clown.

[NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961]

Well so much for "Mr. Free-Market". I guess he didn't learn much from Gov. Davis' failed reign. Govt. can't sovlve problems, they only make them worse. What a clown.

[Fast1]

What they are not saying is the average corner gas station has the energy equivalent of 84 sq miles of solar cells.

[Carry_Okie]

BP Solar must not have paid the piper... enough.

[Brilliant]

If he were a true conservative, he'd veto it...

[FairOpinion]

"The goal is to have 3,000 megawatts worth of solar power by 2018, which amounts to about 5 percent of the state's entire electricity usage at peak periods - generally hot summer afternoons when electricity is most in demand, most expensive, and when solar panels are most efficient. "

This hardly seems worth the effort.

And these same people say it's not worth drilling in ANWR, because it would only provide 25% of the energy needs of the US for the next 20-30 years.

[FairOpinion]

So where the White Knight, Tom McClintock riding to the rescue, mobilizing to defeat this idiotic bill?

We never heard from him, when there is something to be done.

[FairOpinion]

Germany's Top Solar Leader to Visit Sacramento

http://renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=23004


At a lunch-time briefing next week in California's state capitol, leading representatives from Germany and Japan, home of the world's two largest solar markets, as well as three American economists will discuss the economic benefits of growing California's solar power market while examining various proposals to increase solar power in California, including Governor Schwarzenegger's Million Solar Roofs Initiative.

The event will take place on March 1, 2005 from 12:00 to 1:00 PM in room 112 at the California State Capitol building. Senator Kevin Murray and the Environment California Research & Policy Center will host the event which will feature speaker Dr. Hermann Scheer, German Parliament and Chair of the World Council for Renewable Energy who was instrumental in passing Germany's renewable energy legislation which has caused a solar market explosion in the country. Other speakers will include: Shirley Neff, President-elect of the U.S. Association for Energy Economics; Steven McClary, MRW & Associates, Inc.; Dr. Daniel Kammen, University of California, Berkeley; Chris O'Brien, Sharp Solar Electronics. Summary of presentations will be provided at the briefing and also will be available for download at the following link.

[Boot Hill]

8	“The goal is to have 3,000 megawatts worth of solar power by 2018...The net projected savings over 10 years would be as much as $1 billion, said Campbell.”

Solar power is so economically and energy inefficienct that is now time to consider bringing criminal indictments for fraud against the manufacturers and promoters.

The Inefficiencies of Solar Power
(Based upon a horizontal PV array located at
the average continental U.S. latitude of 38º.)

ref.	source	loss (%)	power (per m2)
1.	Solar flux	-	1,368 W
2.	Atmospheric losses	45	752 W
3.	Night times losses	50	376 W
4.	Solar angle losses	50	188 W
5.	Cell conversion losses	88	22.6 W
6.	DC®AC inverter losses	10	20.3 W
7.	Net efficiency		1.5%
8.	Net energy             (per m2 per day)		0.5 kWh
9.	Value of energy     (per m2 per day)		4.3 ¢
10.	Solar panel cost               (per m2)		$530
11.	Payback period		33 years

Notes:

1.	Above the atmosphere. Compare to solar constant.
2.	Loss = atmos. absorp. + atmos. reflect. + cloud absorp. + cloud reflect. See additional references: 1,   2,   3,
3.	Necessary for calculating average daily value of energy production.
4.	Effect of solar angle on efficiency. Line 4 equals 4.5kWh per day. Compare to U.S. Average Daily Solar Radiation.
5.	Shell SQ175-PC, including specified de-rating for cell temperature and irradiance level.
6.	5kW modular, certified, grid-interactive, inverter.
7.	Line 6 divided by line 1.
8.	Line 6 times 86,400 and divided by 3.6E6.
9.	From 2004 DOE stats for average U.S. residential price.
10.	Shell SQ175-PC solar panel, $699, 1.32m2 area.
11.	Exclusive of installation, inverter, interest, etc.

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--Boot Hill