[Smartaleck]

"At no time in this ongoing discussion has it been established that Mr. Gilmore hopes to overturn this law, he simply wants the process to be visible and acknowledged."

Not quite that clear. The judge hearing the case couldn't even figure out what he wanted and adjourned without ruling. The gov't did cite law for the ID but he has other issues.

That's the problem with relying solely on one piece of info as some have.

My best guess from what I've read is that there is more to it from the gov't.'s point of view. This is a dance to avoid other issues I guess, they feel may come to light if they let this "small matter" get by.

Not saying it's right or wrong. The SC has given mixed messages on ID presentation.

For example, the 4th amendment isn't always practical when danger is eminent. This is pretty vague and leaves the door open to a lot of possibilities.
Lincoln has been soundly criticized for his draconian methods yet is held as one of the greatest presidents.

[Badray]

For example, the 4th amendment isn't always practical when danger is eminent. This is pretty vague and leaves the door open to a lot of possibilities.

Not vague at all. Why must a door be kicked down to affect an arrest when the person inside can usually be captured outside without incident? Is it for the adrenaline rush from a dynamic entry?

Lincoln has been soundly criticized for his draconian methods yet is held as one of the greatest presidents.

Yeah, he is. By the same crew here that thinks that the government can do any damn thing it pleases.

[Old Professer]

For example, the 4th amendment isn't always practical when danger is eminent. This is pretty vague and leaves the door open to a lot of possibilities.

Lincoln has been soundly criticized for his draconian methods yet is held as one of the greatest presidents.

When danger is imminent, actions are often taken that won't pass review; restrictions on government is the basis of the constitution and the amendments thereto, not restrictions on the people at large, many laws have been repealed and many arrests expunged and convictions set aside when emotions abate.

Lincoln's reputation rests on the foundation of victory in a great contest and the winners always write the history books.

I am not saying that the law in question here is a bad law. I am merely agreeing that no good comes of deeds done in darkness.

My wife made airline reservations last night for herself and my daughter to travel to Great Lakes via Midway airport and she is fully prepared to make the check-in process as painless as possible, she will be taking 3 forms of identification to show eligibility and means to use both the airplane and the rental car.

These things are minor intrusions accepted on balance for the good we receive.