Posted on 02/27/2005 7:13:06 AM PST by TheBlackFeather
He's unable to travel because he refuses to present a government-approved ID
SAN FRANCISCO -- John Gilmore's splendid isolation began July 4, 2002, when, with defiance aforethought, he strolled to the Southwest Airlines counter at Oakland Airport and presented his ticket.
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghpostgazette.com ...
Mandated by the gov't.
If Jefferson was a contemporary, Klinton would have burned him alive at Monticello, rather than those poor folk in the church at Waco.
Maybe he should just incorporate, and become a "limited liability corporation".
I'd like to see how the bootlicking contingent here resolved "police state vs. private korporation", since in their minds, both entities are the SOLE holders of Rights.
The requirement to present such document of whatever value is an impediment to free-passage and need be based on a clear and present danger and an open and free discussion on its merits.
At no time in this ongoing discussion has it been established that Mr. Gilmore hopes to overturn this law, he simply wants the process to be visible and acknowledged.
We still live in a state of emergency declared by FDR, if I am not mistaken; in the same way that Lincoln used a little known constitutional presidential privilege to suspend habeas corpus, our government now hides behind the cloak of national security to cover the naked fear that grips all men devoid of conviction.
All this is my opinion of course.
"to know what authority"
Posted elsewhere. Act of Congress.
The issue here is not the rightness or wrongness of this case but the secrecy of it that remains unconfessed by the secreters.
4 hours and no comments. No wonder. It doesn't deserve one.
I took it as an attempt at sarcasm, without the tags.
At least, I hope it was.
The police have no such mandate as to keep the people safe.
They never have been able to and never will be able to.
They may, maintain the public order, which is in most cases, anathema to public safety and freedom.
What page are you on? Now we're arguing your analogy that in searching for a serial killer the police can keep stuff secret. They vcan, but (Again) anyone they want to detain is entitled to know why and on what authority.
Going back - all your "Act of Congress" says is pre-flight the airlines and TSA may select which passengers and baggage are to be physically searched.
Your driver's license is your established permit to use public property and wasn't originally intended nor does it hold a sanctified place now as your primary identity.
Your existence is established by your warm body; your right to exist is inherent in the unstated social contract absent demand by authority.
To get a birth certificate one must be named; but one need not carry that name if one chooses not to.
If you change your name you need only register your new name with the agency that records such things and then your I.D. card is changed; if we begin to impute sinister motive from simple transactions such as this in the name of national security then a single step forward will have us need permanent names.
The permutations of such a scheme is nearly endless.
Garlic, beans and cabbage ought to do it.
When Jefferson is a communist, Clinton is a patriot and a gentleman of good character.
We're surrounded by idiots.
If we did away with all the current "security measures" we would be no different.
They are all useless, except for their part in the destruction of our liberty.
You can't drive without putting gov't tags on your car and getting a "license" issued by the state.
You can't own a gun without making sure it isn't too big or too small, or doesn't have any "evil" features.
And you can't carry "your" gun on "your" person without first getting permission from the state, and playing "simon says" with regards to where you are "allowed" to carry.
You can't own property without paying a yearly tax to the state.
And so on....
This is not a "free" country. And most people don't even understand what the word "freedom" means, as evidenced on this thread. Sadly, most people don't even realize they are enslaved (one thing gov't does really well is propaganda). As Goethe said, "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free."
The word "freedom" now has the same relationship to America as "people's republic" did to communist regimes. What's worse is that many folks will argue until they are blue in the face that this is a free country.
Sooner or later, the laws of nature will catch up with us. In our case, I believe this will occur when China replaces America as the new global superpower. A nation of 1.5 billion slaves will outperform a nation of 0.3 billion slaves anyday.
The "engine" of America (rabid individualism, moral non-compliance, common sense, distrust of authority, and innovation) has been decimated over the last decade. At this point, it's probably too late to recover.
Like Madison, you "see the consequences in the principle".
Unfortunately, most of your fellow Americans can neither see the principle, nor do they have any desire to "avoid the consequence by denying the principle".
They are too busy celebrating "freedom" by choosing between reruns of Seinfeld and Friends.
Well said.
Too true.
You mean we have any left?
Maybe the sheeple will start caring when their "lord and saviour", Dow Jones, ceases to bring them a double digit annual return. (Economic collapse always follows social collapse)
When the sheep finally get to caring it will be far too late for anything but the shearing.
John Gimore: "In my spare time I practice Iyengar Yoga, read, listen to music, travel, program, and socialize."
Disarming the United States. The Bush Administration should be forced by United Nations resolutions to surrender its "weapons of mass destruction" or face the consequences. "Any government that repeatedly threatens and attacks other soveriegn countries without provocation, that holds massive stocks of nuclear and conventional weapons, that tortures its own citizens and those of other countries, that refuses to follow its own constitution and laws as well as international treaties which it co-created and signed, that holds 500,000 political prisoners in its jails, that imprisons the largest number and percentage of its people in the world... Any such government needs to immediately disarm and submit to a regime change, or face the consequences from the international community." See also the Pictures from the Iraq war that the US tried to censor so that Americans could not see them.
For someone who likes to remain "isolated from government view", Gilmore charts his achievements and anything else he thinks you want to know about him and his issues on [self]privacy". ;)
Talk about side streets.....
Security checks at the airport want to try to make it just a little bit harder for terrorists to use "buy and switch" tactics for individuals boarding aircraft. While it is not perfect, it is better than nothing.
If you object to your drivers license being used for such purposes, any valid photo ID such as a passport or a military ID will do just fine.
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