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It's down to wire for electric car's fans (Last, last hurrah for the EV1)
LA Daily News ^ | 2/25/05 | Dana Bartholomew

Posted on 02/25/2005 1:21:05 PM PST by BurbankKarl

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To: BurbankKarl
For 1.2 billion they could have converted many engines to Air Assisted Direct Fuel Injection for a 13% (or greater) increase in fuel economy.

They could have given us one of these: http://www.gminsidenews.com/xv82.htm

Check out Air Assisted Direct Injection at: www.orbeng.com

21 posted on 02/25/2005 1:55:12 PM PST by taildragger
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To: BurbankKarl

"137-hp motor, its whopping 1,209 foot-pounds of torque..."

This thing must be heavy as HELL!

As I understand it an electrics full horsepower is available immediately. I37hp and 1209ftlb's torque would send my 2500 lb car off the line like a rocket!

My car will do the eight second thing with 124hp at 5400rpm, which is about 70 or 80hp off the line.

What gives with this thing?


22 posted on 02/25/2005 2:03:24 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: tiamat
Very cool!

Damn straight!

I did not know any of that! Thanks!

To learn more (from better sources than me), check out this website: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html. You'll have to wade through a bunch of liberal hippie propaganda, but there is good information there on BioDiesel. For information on Volkswagons, go to a dealer. And for the record, I do not work for VW, nor do I own one, but several people I know do, and I am quite impressed with their diesel models. Their "Lupo" gets upwards of 80 miles per gallon (though admittedly it has made some sacrifices for range). Now if only they could come up with a decent all-wheel-drive.

(mmmmm....Donuts....)

One guy at a renewable energy forum claimed his Dodge truck exhaust smells just like tempura. Go figure.

23 posted on 02/25/2005 2:04:33 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: pabianice

I've wondered for a few months now exactly what the term "a$$clown" means. Now I know. Thanks.


24 posted on 02/25/2005 2:07:27 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: BurbankKarl
Surprised it took this long for a picture

Quite an ugly car...looks like it has roots in France (Renault).


25 posted on 02/25/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: hattend

Looks like a Ford Probe.


26 posted on 02/25/2005 2:24:33 PM PST by SengirV
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To: SengirV

Yeah, now that you mention it, it does.

I thought the Probe was ugly, too. It was the #1 "loved by gays" car, too (no, I don't remember where I read that poll but I do remember reading it)


27 posted on 02/25/2005 2:27:28 PM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: Common Tator
Ah, yes, the ol' making-parts-available-for-seven-years thing. Of course, the cars are all 6 years old or more by now. GM could surely sell the older ones now and sit on the newest ones for a few more months.

Better yet, have the idiots-- er, I mean, new owners sign a waiver to release GM from any obligation to provide parts. But, that would require a return to the old days of caveat emptor and a healthy dose of common sense, something that probably isn't available (or, given the nature of the buyers, applicable).

So much for that "free enterprise" thing we keep hearing about. The nanny state is protecting all of us -- even the jaded enviro-whackos -- from the big-business forces of evil.

28 posted on 02/25/2005 2:32:38 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: tiamat
"I do wish SOMEONE would come up with a good hybrid.
I hate giving money to Saudi."

Someone has come up with a good hybrid. You just have to give your money to the Japanese instead...

Lexus RX400h
Honda Accord Hybrid

29 posted on 02/25/2005 2:43:03 PM PST by felixmh
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To: pabianice

I love the disgusted look on the dog's face: "what a bunch of losers; I'm outta here".


30 posted on 02/25/2005 2:47:19 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: BurbankKarl


Can you say Electric Edsel.


31 posted on 02/25/2005 2:54:39 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: pillbox_girl

Nothing wrong with VWs.

They are good little cars.

(Blue slug-bug... no blue slug-bug back!)

Thanks for the link!


32 posted on 02/25/2005 3:02:12 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: felixmh

Thanks for the links!

I I MUST choose, I'd rather give my money to the Japanese.


33 posted on 02/25/2005 3:03:21 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: pillbox_girl
And your biodiesel is likely made from fertilizers and pesticides that are petroleum and natural gas based. Not easy to win there either unless everything is organically grown.
34 posted on 02/25/2005 3:20:21 PM PST by NYorkerInHouston
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claimed his Dodge truck exhaust smells just like tempura.

Japanese parts on the motor will do that. LOL

35 posted on 02/25/2005 4:02:52 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: tiamat

I just looked at a hybred that a guy put together in his garage for a few thousand dollars. Matches or beats any other. It is good enough that he already has a major company looking to fleet test. No billion dollar budget here.


36 posted on 02/25/2005 4:03:47 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: pabianice

Earth day?

It looks like United Mineworkers on strike in southwest virginia to me.


37 posted on 02/25/2005 4:07:15 PM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Cool!

That means real people may be able to afford one!


38 posted on 02/25/2005 4:09:38 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: BurbankKarl

"Do the red one, Bob!"


39 posted on 02/25/2005 4:19:45 PM PST by RichInOC ("There are no more cars left." "What about yours?")
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To: NYorkerInHouston
And your biodiesel is likely made from fertilizers and pesticides that are petroleum and natural gas based. Not easy to win there either unless everything is organically grown.

Actually, the BioDiesel is made from plant or animal oils and fats. Growing the animals or plants the BioDiesel comes from might use fertilizers, or pesticides, or antibiotics, or whatever, but not necessarily. Moreover, the oil to make BioDiesel is usually a waste byproduct. You can make BioDiesel from fryer oil after it's cooked it's last Freedom Fry, and would otherwise go down the drain. Additionally, the petroleom used to make the fertilizers, or whatever, is a hell of a lot less than would otherwise be needed to run a generator to charge the batteries on an electric car.

It is also possible (in fact its preferred) to grow the oil for BioDiesel from certain algae strains. There are species of algae which massively outproduce canola and even oil palms on a per acre basis, and they don't need anything more than sun, air, and water to grow. The water doesn't even need to be fresh or clean, either; they'll quite happily grow in raw sewage or sea water, depending on the strain.

There Is No Such Thing As a Free Lunch, but BioDiesel is very close to free. It's a lot closer than hippie liberal pipe dreams like hydrogen and electric vehicles where the original power source is still inefficient and polluting, just concealed by the "green" fuel.

40 posted on 02/25/2005 9:19:13 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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