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To: Pendragon_6
During the French Revolution the Left created the socialist and communist movements

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I hope for the sake of his own credibility he means the one that happened in 1848.

2 posted on 02/25/2005 12:25:43 PM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: rightwinggoth
I hope for the sake of his own credibility he means the one that happened in 1848.

Why certainly he is. That is also the year that Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto" was first published.

6 posted on 02/25/2005 1:11:26 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: rightwinggoth

Whoa Dude, read the writings of Louis Saint-Just, from 1793.

"I challenge you to establish liberty so long as it remains possible to arouse the unfortunate classes against the new order of things, and I defy you to do away with poverty altogether unless each one has his own land. . . . Where you find large landowners you find many poor people. Nothing can be done in a country where agriculture is carried on on a large scale. Man was not made for the workshop, the hospital, or the poorhouse. All that is horrible. Men must live in independence, each with his own wife and his robust and healthy children. We must have neither rich nor poor.

The poor man is superior to government and the powers of the world; he should address them as a master. We must have a system which puts all these principles in practice and assures comfort to the entire people.

Opulence is a crime : it consists in supporting fewer children, whether one’s own or adopted, than one has thousands of francs of income. . . Children shall belong to their mother, provided she has suckled them herself, until they are five years old ; after that they shall belong to the republic until death.


The mother who does not suckle her children ceases to be a mother in the eyes of the country. Child and citizen belong to the country, and a common instruction is essential. Children shall be brought up in the love of silence and scorn for fine talkers. They shall be trained in laconic speech. Games shall be prohibited in which they declaim, and they shall be habituated to simple truth.


The boys shall be educated, from the age of five to sixteen, by the country; from five to ten they shall learn to read, write, and swim. No one shall strike or caress a child. They shall be taught what is good and left to nature. He who strikes a child shall be banished.


The children shall eat together and shall live on roots, fruit, vegetables, milk, cheese, bread, and water. The teachers of children from [Page 453] five to ten years old shall not be less than sixty years of age. . . . The education of children from ten to sixteen shall be military and agricultural."

http://history.hanover.edu/texts/stjust.html

You can see the ideas that Marx espoused arising from similar writings from the French Revolution.


8 posted on 02/25/2005 1:44:55 PM PST by ijcr (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.)
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To: rightwinggoth
[ I hope for the sake of his own credibility he means the one that happened in 1848. ]

Obviously, You must not know who David Horowitz is...
Finding that out is a good read beyond this particular subject.. i.e. the book Radical Son..

10 posted on 02/25/2005 1:52:59 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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