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The France of Jacques Chirac
Claremont Institute ^

Posted on 02/24/2005 8:15:52 PM PST by Alex Marko

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1 posted on 02/24/2005 8:15:52 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

The france of ChIRAQ and the France of Petain are the same.


2 posted on 02/24/2005 8:22:18 PM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Alex Marko
Thank you for posting this.

French opposition to the United States has never really had any particular consequences and so has grown into a truly cult-like obsession. During the Cold War we could not afford to break up Western solidarity when faced with an aggressive Soviet Union and the French could get away with things like undermining NATO and blaming the United States for prosecuting a war France had started (and lost) in Vietnam, and so we were silent in the face of ever more outrageous insults. The end of the Cold War changed not a great deal, really, from the French perspective, except that the ground they occupied was no longer middle, one pole of its configuration having evaporated.

Now Chirac is attempting to pursue his geopolitical ambitions by nothing less than a takeover of the nascent EU, and forming alliances with countries such as China whose own national objectives are of little interest to France except insofar as they constitute enmity to the United States.

This is not the act of a friend in any sense. This is the consistent track record of an implacable enemy. I do not consider myself an alarmist, and would like to imagine that it is the private obsession of a zealot on the wrong side of history. That may not, in fact, be the case, and if not, then we have to consider reformulating U.S. foriegn policy under the premise that France is an openly hostile nation on the order of Iran, and that they intend to influence the entire EU on that account if they are able.

3 posted on 02/24/2005 8:43:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Alex Marko

We are always told by the left that Rumsfeld sold all the aems to Saddam.


4 posted on 02/24/2005 8:48:45 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Billthedrill

arms to Saddam that is


5 posted on 02/24/2005 8:49:14 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Billthedrill

Bill, this is a superb analysis. For further insight into this issue from a slightly broader aspect, I might suggest a close read of Bat Ye'or's "Eurabia" that will be out in April.

Ye'or takes on the issue from an historical perspective -- and examines it from its infancy in the 30's. Great analysis of the coming demise of Europe.

Kindest regards -- and a great weekend to all.


6 posted on 02/24/2005 8:53:52 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: Alex Marko

the c.i.a. weather forecast for france the next decade:

some social uprisings.

oui, oui.


7 posted on 02/24/2005 8:59:30 PM PST by ken21 ( warning: a blood bath when rehnquist, et al retire. >hang w dubya.< dems want 2 divide us.)
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When Charles De Gaulle pulled France out of the NATO unified military command and ordered the United States to depart from bases in the Paris suburb of Saint-German-en-Laye,

We were living in Paris then and I was attending a local French school (BTW, my brother and I placed 1st and 2nd in our respective grades).

Loved living in Paris and would like to go back, if it weren't for all those damned Parisians!

It's not unlike living in Boston. LOL!

8 posted on 02/24/2005 9:05:40 PM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: nonliberal

Not true. Petain didn't pretend to be our ally or have a seat in the Big Three.


9 posted on 02/24/2005 9:08:30 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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But they were socialist, anti-semitic and generally wussies.


10 posted on 02/24/2005 9:12:02 PM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Alex Marko

Somehow we Americans have got to learn not to bend over every time some foreigner feels offended.

France sickens me to my stomach.


11 posted on 02/24/2005 9:15:55 PM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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When Charles De Gaulle pulled France out of the NATO unified military command and ordered the United States to depart from bases in the Paris suburb of Saint-German-en-Laye, President Lyndon Johnson reportedly asked him if he also wanted us to take the graveyards full of our dead at Omaha Beach. Three belated cheers for LBJ.

Good for LBJ.

12 posted on 02/24/2005 9:17:26 PM PST by iceemonster ("When is silence ever the answer?")
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To: Alex Marko

BTTT


13 posted on 02/24/2005 9:17:41 PM PST by Chgogal
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To: Billthedrill

Well written analysis. My question is: How should
we treat France? You mentioned treating them as an
enemy. How do we do this? Trade barriers perhaps?
If so, then lets start with Airbus!


14 posted on 02/24/2005 9:17:55 PM PST by StormEye
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To: StormEye

Economical strategy would be the best way to combat france. or....throw a bar of soap at them.


15 posted on 02/24/2005 9:20:50 PM PST by Alex Marko
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16 posted on 02/24/2005 9:26:34 PM PST by John Lenin
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17 posted on 02/24/2005 9:33:01 PM PST by John Lenin
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France is a country full of smelly ingrates who eat 246 different kinds of cheese. When they're not licking Muslim butts. Merde la France!

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

18 posted on 02/24/2005 9:36:14 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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19 posted on 02/24/2005 9:49:42 PM PST by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: Alex Marko

"Nonetheless, U.S. nuclear laboratories are still helping the French, the U.S. is still subsidizing the French nuclear weapons establishment, and, most unbelievable of all, the Bush Administration is offering Chirac the secrets of the U.S. national missile defense."

Someone P L E A S E tell me this isn't true.
Boycott France!


20 posted on 02/24/2005 9:59:13 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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