SENATOR KUEHL ANNOUNCES INTRODUCTION OF SB 840 (Socialized Medicine for All Californians)

Word and Brown Legislative Alert ^ | 2-24-2005 | Word and Brown Legislative Alert

[CyberAnt]

You got that right!

[whereasandsoforth]

Then there's that pesky cost of food. Have you been to the market lately?

[goldstategop]

This N That - the principle behind this is nannyism. We're too stoopid to take care of our health, to bury our dead, to drive safely, or to watch a good movie. After all the Great God Government knows what's best for us.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[rcocean]

Funny how the same liberals who are always in favor free medical, voting rights, drivers licenses, welfare, food stamps, etc. for EVERYONE are also the ones in favor of millions of illegal poor, uneducated people coming to this country every year.

Open Borders and Free Everything. Come to USA Everyone, its FREE! FREE! FREE! All you have to do is vote democrat every 2 Years./sarcasm off/

[goldstategop]

There's the cost of eating out. Kuehl and the Democrats ought to appoint - no hold it - let's not give them any ideas.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[goldstategop]

Makes me wonder what advice a liberal Polonious would give to his son Laertius today. >shudder

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[Nachum]

I have one more question to add to the list. Will this mean the un insurable will finally be able to get insurance coverage?

With all due respect, I sell health insurance in California and it is rare that I cannot find health coverage for my clients. The "uninnsurable" have a number of means to find insurance and I have had a great deal of success in getting coverage.

You forget that California has numerous ways to insure individuals.

1) If you are indigent, Med-Cal

2) Federally, Medicaid

3) (for the working poor) Healthy Families

4) Guaranteed issuance of group coverage down to 2 employees

5) COBRA (for groups of 20 or more employees

6) Cal-COBRA (extending COBRA to groups of 2)

7) Guaranteed conversion of COBRA policies to individual plans under the HIPAA

8) Union Plans that guarantee acceptance for working union members of SAG, AFTRA, AFL-CIO and others (as individuals)

9) Underwriting guidelines may well insure various "uninsured" at higher rates depending on the condition.

[goldstategop]

Its not enough.... its piecemeal and disjointed and every one knows the government runs things better. Trust us!

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[Nachum]

Oh, and I almost forgot!

10) A "high risk" insurance plan, sponsored through the state of California, guaranteed issue for anyone who had been rejected for health reasons from a health plan. All pre-existing conditions are covered after 3 months on the plan.

This coverage is guaranteed for two years with 5 of the top carriers in the state.

[JSteff]

"But maybe if California goes bankrupt, the rest of the country will understand."

Nope. This is the old thing about the voters voting themselves the treasury. CA being the largest state with a huge number of electoral votes will not be allowed to go "bankrupt".

Do you think that ANY politician will ignore the Californians? The U.S. will actually step in because there is no other option.

Oh, and while they are at it.. since CA is so huge they might as well make social services apply to the whole country... oh and all current RESIDENTS of the U.S and territories.

[ArmyBratproud]

Royce West has the same type of bill that he is pushing here in Texas.

His bill proposes that anybody who lives with in 200 percent of the poverty line they get free health care.

AND THE COUNTIES HAVE TO PICK UP THE TAB. That would cost Denton County somewhere around 5 million tax dollars with in the first year, easy.

Currently Indigent Health Care is with in 21 percent.

[Txsleuth]

Oh, great Royce West---he of the great ideas!!!

In the article it says that the people would be means tested so that they would pay premiums, deductibles, etc., according to their incomes---so the rich will have to pay a lot more than they do now, plus pay for the indigent care that all of us pay for, plus the higher costs of medicine, medical supplies---

Also, there was a paragraph expounding on the problem of bankruptcies caused by medical costs even if you have insurance---first, why would that stop if, like they previous sentence said, they filed even when they had insurance--so how would this change that?

Second, I don't know about California, but I know here in Texas, you can't be sued for unpaid medical bills and they can't charge you interest, so there is no reason to file for bankruptcy for medical bills.

We had a rough time a few years ago and ended up with a lot of post insurance medical bills--all I did was call every doctor, therapist, hospital, etc., and set up a payment plan based on what I could pay and I paid them off--not one penny of interest and it never went on my credit report because I made a good faith effort to pay bills---

[SweetCaroline]

[BJungNan]

You forget that California has numerous ways to insure individuals.

1) If you are indigent, Med-Cal

2) Federally, Medicaid

3) (for the working poor) Healthy Families

4) Guaranteed issuance of group coverage down to 2 employees

5) COBRA (for groups of 20 or more employees

6) Cal-COBRA (extending COBRA to groups of 2)

7) Guaranteed conversion of COBRA policies to individual plans under the HIPAA

8) Union Plans that guarantee acceptance for working union members of SAG, AFTRA, AFL-CIO and others (as individuals)

9) Underwriting guidelines may well insure various "uninsured" at higher rates depending on the condition.

1) Not indigent.
2) Not eligible for medicaid
3) Don't qualify (not working poor).
4) Self employed (Should I give up my income to work for health insurance? Legitimate question, I suppose and I hear the casinos are hiring.)
5) Not eligible for Cobra.
6) Not eligible for Cal Cobra.
7) Cobra conversion (no Cobra, no conversion)
8) Union plan - not a member.
9) Insurance at higher rate? Should I give you a call?

[Flash Bazbeaux]

There was an article today in the San Francisco Chronicle about a girl from England who the English doctors said could not eat. For the first seven years of her life she was fed through a tube. She was diagnosed with some kind of palsy where food went into her lungs instead of her stomach when she was an infant..

EXCEPT -- the diagnosis was WRONG. The English Socialized Doctors blew the diagnosis.

The parents, thinking that the daughter really did have the palsy, heard that Stanford had a cure for it. So they raised $20,000 for their kid to go to Stanford. The doctors at Stanford took a quick look at her and said "She is missing all the OTHER symptoms of palsy aside from food going into her lungs." Then they noticed that there was no food going into her lungs. They said "there is nothing wrong with your kid. She can eat whatever she wants." For the last two weeks, she's been eating Big Macs, and, to quote her, "hash browns with lots of grease".

[Nachum]

Self employed (Should I give up my income to work for health insurance?

No. Do you have a spouse or family member that can be your partner or corporate officer? You could possibly qualify for a guaranteed issue group plan.

Insurance at higher rate?

Possibly. It would depend on your pre-existing condition. We would have to send a written request to the underwriters at certain companies to know for sure. I would need more info. At the very least, you would qualify for the California Major Risk Plan for a two year coverage period.

Should I give you a call?

You can contact my office anytime. I will make helping you a priority. I will send you a private message with contact information.

[Nachum]

I have heard similar malpractice stories from a great many countries and from hospital systems operating on a socialized clinic model here in the US. Kaiser is sued more than any health provider here in California. I get many refugees from socialized systems to insure.

[SierraWasp]

Gee! Won't CA COMMONISM be KUEHL??? Like maybe even GAY, even!!!

[backhoe]

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