Our Godless Constitution (from THE NATION)

THE NATION ^ | Feb 21, 2005 | Broke Allen

[Corinthian Warrior]

Left wing interpetation of the nation's founding. Note what they focus on. Godless Founders . . .

[goldstategop]

Liberals abhor tradition - and the slightest whiff of dreaded God Talk sends them screaming and running for the hills.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[JennysCool]

the axiom that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

I thought that was the Kerry campaign slogan.

[farmer18th]

and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent.

1782 - On July 3, the legislature of the State of Massachusetts passed “An Act against Blasphemy.” The substance of the law was explicit: “If any person shall wilfully blaspheme the holy name of God, by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching the Holy Word of God, that is, the canonical scriptures as contained in the books of the Old and New Testaments, or by exposing them or any part of them to contempt or ridicule, which books are as follows: [lists of all books of the bible]; every person so offending shall be punished by imprisonment not exceeding twelve months, by sitting in the pillory, by whipping, or by sitting on the gallows, with a rope about the neck, or binding to the good behavior, at the discretion of the Supreme Judicial Court before whom the conviction may be according to the aggravation of the offence.”

Absent? Absent? Another historically illiterate leftist ignoramus.

[goldstategop]

Liberals have convinced themselves over and over and over again that America is a secular nation and no amount of evidence to the contrary will move them to reconsider their views. In their world view, the only people more repugnant than conservatives are Christians.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[Texas_Jarhead]

"In 1797 our government concluded a "Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, or Barbary," now known simply as the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 of the treaty contains these words:"

Ah yes, the infamous article 11. The most favorite teaty article of secular extremists and historical revisionists bar none. Odd that the author doesn't mention The Trinitarian Treaties of 1783 and 1822. Both of which begin, "In the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity".

[goldstategop]

That was then. Today Massachusetts is a Blue State where God has no place. How the times change.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[frankiep]

Whoa.
My head is spinning.
I read the first paragraph and saw enough falsehoods to make me stop. So I tried reading bits and pieces of the rest of it and I did not find one statement that made any sense.

God and religion really scares these people to death. I wonder why that could be....

[goldstategop]

Its not so odd they should mention Islam. The Left's favorite religion for all sorts of reasons. It doesn't make demands on them like the detested Christians do to walk the straight and narrow.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[farmer18th]

Agreed. If Americans are ever to find their compass, however, they need to know that "academics" who spout such drivel are imposters and haven't penetrated beneath a mere Barnes & Noble understanding of American history.

[goldstategop]

And they have the effrontery to accuse us of being Orwellian. George Orwell would have observed only Leftists can get away with saying two different things at the same time and believing their views are not at all opposed to the other.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[goldstategop]

They embrace liars like the fraud who wrote the book on guns and Ward Churchill. They're the last people who are in a position to lecture us about respect for the truth and the lessons of history.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

[dannyboy72]

What the writer fails to grasp is that the founders wanted to limit government and provide freedom for the average citizen to do what they want. They could do this because, at the time, all peeople, at least publicly, believed in the divine in form or another. The founders limited the powers of hte govenment because they trusted to people to act in accordance with the God-fearing norm.

When you take away God, you make the state the ultimate power. And since the state is made up of the people, we are now supreme rulers of what is right and wrong. So now, instead of all of us having our compasses pointing in the same direction - living our lives according to God's (and humanity's) basic laws - we have everyone going in many different directions.

The fabric of this country will tear from the strain. Fortunately, 90+ percent of this country is still trying to navigate in the right direction.

[djf]

This has got to be the most uneducated person on earth.

To understand what happened when America was founded, one has to go back a few years before that... almost 200.

Martin Luther, a highly educated monk of the Roman Catholic faith, rebelled against the absolute supremacy of the Vatican. He maintained that the path to God need not depend in the church, which was, coincidentaly, full of corruption at the time, but lie inside the individual, through faith and good will.

This was the Reformation. And Luthers works spread like wildfire.

The founding fathers used similar reasoning. They knew it was beyond the power of a King or a government to rule people.

That is why we have SELF GOVERNMENT.

And it is also not a coincidence that 53 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were practicing Protestants. And deeply devout men.

This is also why I refer to Martin Luther as one of our founding fathers... even though he lived 200 years before, and never set foot outside of Europe.

[frankiep]

I guess that's just par for the course though. It's the first page of the liberal playbook; if you cannot win an arguement on cold, hard facts then resorting to insults and saying that someone is a Nazi, facist, or in this case, Orwellian is expected. The fact that it makes absolutely no sense is of no difference to them because they've 'proven' their point.

[Mockingbird For Short]

Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent.

If you repeat a lie often enough, people you will believe it.

[Allan]

There are no sects in geometry.

Want to bet? The author should stick to subjects he knows something about.

Apparently, he never heard of Intuitionists, Platonists, Constructionists, Formalists ... etc.

[spinestein]

[If Washington mentioned the Almighty in a public address, as he occasionally did, he was careful to refer to Him not as "God" but with some nondenominational moniker like "Great Author" or "Almighty Being.]

According to this piece, every time a Founding Father refers to "The Almighty", "The Almighty Being", "The Great Author", "The Creator", or "Him", they are NOT referring to God.

This is one of the best illustrations I've ever seen of a person seeing only what they want to see and ignoring the rest.

[HiTech RedNeck]

He picks less than a handful of skeptics and half-believers out of a band which was mostly devout. Talk about skewing the facts.

[HiTech RedNeck]

This guy would have just as much a hissy, I betcha, if Bush used that kind of language at his inaugs.