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Study blames diesel for deaths
Metrowest Daily Lunatic ^ | 2/23/05 | Brodkin

Posted on 02/23/2005 2:27:07 PM PST by pabianice

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To: pabianice
Diesel toys for men

They will earn you a good living too.

61 posted on 02/23/2005 8:33:44 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: pabianice
The reason they'd like to ban diesel fuel is because they recognize it's importance to our economy. The same can be said for brain tumor causing cell phones, oil, gasoline, herbicides, fried potatoes, soft drinks, etc.

One could summarize their past (and future) arguments by simply saying:

"Study links economic prosperity with a dazzling assortment of physical maladies ranging from death to projectile flatulence."

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62 posted on 02/23/2005 9:57:45 PM PST by Jaysun (It’s a lot easier to apologize than to ask permission.)
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To: KingofQue; NonValueAdded

I thought I miught point out that the technology now exists to install a filter that removes 99% of all particles from diesel exhaust.

A great number of cities in Germany have installed them on public transport and the difference it makes is signficant.

The cost is about the same as a catalytic converter.

Indeed I am sure there are health benefits too, but it just plain smells and looks better. Not to mention the fact that buildings do not get as dirty.

In other words, there is already a viable solution to this non-problem.


63 posted on 02/23/2005 11:26:33 PM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If nothing will change your mind, yes you are an extremist.)
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To: pabianice

Oh, how I long for the good old days at the first of the 20th Century, before diesel fuel, when the life expectancy was something around forty-five years of age.


64 posted on 02/23/2005 11:26:43 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Little Bill

I've got an 86 F-250 with 6.9 I think, 96 F-250 with the Power Stroke and a 99 F-350 Dump, the best gas milage is the 86 about 20 mpg if you keep it under 55. The 96 gets about 15-18 and the 99 F-350 gets about 12 but it is alot heavier. Now I will say that cars with diesels get much better milage and your F-250 is probably the new version and I hear they get better milage than any of mine.


65 posted on 02/24/2005 2:27:59 AM PST by KingofQue
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
It's Bush's fault.

It's Bush's fault because this Republican Congress and Republican President have introduced clean diesel technology, that will reduce diesel pollutants by 90%. Both over-the-road and non-road diesels are covered. Now he gets banged for not having it implemented in a day.

66 posted on 02/24/2005 2:52:05 AM PST by gridlock (If a man says something while alone in the forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?)
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To: pabianice

Much discussion of the output of the study. Wonder what the methods and assumptions are.

Mark for later.


67 posted on 02/24/2005 2:55:37 AM PST by Jack of all Trades
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To: pabianice

I talked to an "environmentally concious" lefty (a professor of photo-journalism, go figure) about this just the other day.
He knew many of the eco-culture talking points, but he did not know about the greater thermal efficiency of diesel engines. He seemed amazed and doubtful at this; that is, he was entirely ignorant of a highly relevant fact that has been common knowledge among shade-tree mechanics and garage putterers, let alone engineers, for a hundred years.
He also thought that diesels had been exempt from the original emission control standards of the 1970s, when in fact they met the standards without modification.


68 posted on 02/24/2005 3:02:10 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: editor-surveyor

BTT!!!!!


69 posted on 02/24/2005 3:02:38 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: AZ_Cowboy
Nope. They'd be worried about the pollution from Horse Manure.

They'd just have to let in more illegals to clean up the mess since US citizens refuse to shovel s***.

70 posted on 02/24/2005 3:05:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind (If 4600 voters in NH had switched to Bush, Ohio wouldn't have mattered.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


71 posted on 02/24/2005 3:06:02 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Jaysun

"The reason they'd like to ban diesel fuel is because they recognize it's importance to our economy. The same can be said for brain tumor causing cell phones, oil, gasoline, herbicides, fried potatoes, soft drinks, etc."

Bullseye. This is an ideal opportunity for the eco-genocide lobby to exploit public ignorance and do untold economic damage. They can't resist that kind of power. It is who and what they are.


72 posted on 02/24/2005 3:06:17 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: NonValueAdded

I once raised caterpillars for moth and butterfly specimens. A tulip poplar grew next to a bus stop. The caterpillars would eat the diesel coated leaves but they all invariably died. Leaves from a tulip poplar across the street did not kill the caterpillars. I do think diesel exhaust is as bad as and worse than gasoline exhaust even before emission controls. The particulate matter is also very difficult for the lungs to deal with. One of the first rate triggers for threatening asthmatic episodes is when omne is caught in a blast of black diesel fumes and smut. This is a classic broncho constrictor. I believe diesel fumes are as dangerous as half the homicidal drivers of the "big rigs".


73 posted on 02/24/2005 3:12:53 AM PST by chemainus
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To: pabianice

NGO eco-fascist to starving third world villagers:

"Sorry about the food shipments. The teamsters were hungry too, and they ate our oxen, damned thieving locals. There was no other way to get the stuff here without nasty diesel trucks and boats. We have to protect you health, you know. At least you don't have to put up with that smell while you hunt for rats to feed your children."


74 posted on 02/24/2005 3:15:21 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: pabianice

Every "big rig" that rumbles down a highway does more damage than 30,000 cars .... ( go ahead, hit me with the trucking racket's tax lies and then compare it to what 30,000 cars pay to do no damage) and the 30,000 cars pay for the rig's road damage. The paying cars are then pushed and bullied all over the road resulting in myriad car occupant deaths always surrounded by a mele' of radio-summoned truckers all chortling " it weren't his fault, it weren't nothing else he could do but run 'em over." Yes, diesel, diesel fumes. diesel vehicles , diesel pollution, diesel subsidies and many diesel drivers are all subsidized killers.


75 posted on 02/24/2005 3:20:50 AM PST by chemainus
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To: chemainus

Gee, we have your word for all that, it must be true.


76 posted on 02/24/2005 3:27:17 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: pabianice

Obviously, the trucking industry needs to step up its donations to GreenPeace and the Sierra Club.
Hey, it worked for the auto manufacturers.


77 posted on 02/24/2005 3:45:58 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: pabianice; Irish_Thatcherite; MonroeDNA; bahblahbah; dhuffman@awod.com; NonValueAdded; loboinok; ...
Tell the eco-wackies their diesel problem is solved:
Ford Nucleon, 1958

This is only a pipsqueak 4-wheeler but the technology could obviously be adapted to power buses, trucks, tractors; heck, even submarines. ;)

78 posted on 02/24/2005 4:10:55 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (This message prepared with MS-CBS Word 72 software)
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To: AZ_Cowboy

It would take but a few moments estimation to arrive at a good guess of the mass of horse manure to replace the automobile.


79 posted on 02/24/2005 4:18:02 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: pabianice

BAN DIESAL!


80 posted on 02/24/2005 4:19:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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