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To: Once-Ler
#1 - I apologize for the profanity. It was uncalled for and clearly against the rules of the forum.
You DID strike a nerve for a moment. You called me a liar when all I did was posit my opinion, not assert facts. Anytime I am called a liar I tend to react violently because I have made it a life policy to NEVER intentionally lie.
What a tangled web we weave.....

There are differences between the partys but, IMO, they are differences of degree only.
You pointed out actions of individuals in one party not the party itself. Both partys want, eventually, the same thing. All the votes of the American public and the power to make their platforms law.

Am I a "true American"?
You tell me what you consider that to be and I'll tell you if I qualify.
I know what my definition is but don't know if it would qualify as yours.

Your beliefs are not supportable by reality

What are my beliefs? Do you know?
Let's put this to the test with the subject at hand.
It's my belief that illegal immigrants should not be given preferential treatment in employment, or in receiving citizenship, JUST because they were here, illegally, first.
What this comes down to, IMO, is that any "guest worker" that is outside the US that applies gets a job before any "illegal immigrant" does. If the "illegal immigrant" wants to cross the border and apply when they are outside the US, fine.
In addition, any "guest worker" that wants to apply for citizenship has to wait for all current citizenship applicants to be processed before they will be accepted for consideration. Is that so hard to understand?

You were the one that started the acrimony with statements such as, "I spit in your direction you liar.", and "It is hard for me to disguise my disagust for enablers like you..
My intent was to let you know that if you wanted to up the ante, I was available for the game.

Again, I apologize for the profanity used but not for the intent of the post.

409 posted on 02/24/2005 11:49:43 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
I apologize for the profanity.

Accepted.

You called me a liar when all I did was posit my opinion, not assert facts.

Whether you intend to mislead or not, saying "The two major partys are, almost, indistinuishable today," is a lie.

One party is for tax cuts, a strong defense, protection of marriage, right to life, ect etc etc.

There are differences between the partys but, IMO, they are differences of degree only.

No where is this lie more evident than the pro-life issue. Republicans want to end abortion, rats want to expand it to children my daughters age.

It's my belief that illegal immigrants should not be given preferential treatment in employment, or in receiving citizenship, JUST because they were here, illegally, first.

I agree. On the other hand, if you have ever employed a worker you know that it is often a crap shoot. You can verify references and past employment but you still may wind up with a drunk, thief, or equally irresponsible fool. An employer who is currently employing illegals, that they have spent money training, would prefer to keep that employee rather than hire a new untested immigrant. You can callously say "too bad...they are illegals," but training costs money and eats away at profit and limits raises and expansion...now multiply this by 15 million illegals and you can see the problem that xenophobes like Tancredo and Buchanan can't see...because they never hire anybody and they hate and don't understand business.

422 posted on 02/24/2005 7:07:26 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: Just another Joe
You were the one that started the acrimony with statements such as, "I spit in your direction you liar.", and "It is hard for me to disguise my disagust for enablers like you.. My intent was to let you know that if you wanted to up the ante, I was available for the game.

Yes. We are all failible. It is hard to listen to those who denigrate. You have shown yourself to be a bigger man than I.

It is hard to give reasoned voice to those who disagree. It is harder still to remain calm in the face of unreasoned assault. You don't desearve an "A" but unreasonable response in the face of unreasonable attack is human. That makes you my equal. If you continue to be human I will try to be equaly argumentative and stupid. And perhaps we can agree we are less than perfect examples of our better nature.

433 posted on 02/24/2005 10:03:16 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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