[Mr. Mojo]

How about answering the question I posed above? Again, how would placing the National Guard at the borders and cutting off all (welfare) benefits to illegal aliens be infringing on our liberties?

You can't, because they don't.

And I suspect that admitting the truth - that the only thing infringing on our liberties are the President's own proposals (the National ID card being front and center) - would put you in a rather uncomfortable position.

[hchutch]

That national ID card was Sensenbrenner's idea - and he threatened to scuttle last year's intelligence bill if he didn't get it voted on this year.

Oops, is that an inconvenient fact?

As for the National Guard, do you want soldiers carrying out law enforcement duties? I don't.

I have no objection to cutting off welfare benefits, but I also want citizens cut off them, too.

[Poohbah]

Again, how would placing the National Guard at the borders

Posse Comitatus Act violation right there, because if the federal government's giving the orders, the National Guard is same as the US Army.