Posted on 02/23/2005 5:15:25 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
"If the Bush plan is so "Nuanced" that it takes someone 6 pages to explain it, that means to me it is a bad idea. If something is logical, it is usually explained easily and it is accepted widely. This is not explained easily or widely accepted because it is not logical. Liberals/marxists use this type of convoluted explanation to distract the reader from using the simple logic that proves it to be a bad idea."
"I suppose you give this author the same status as the good book?"
No, but you however did.
The Holy Bible is significantly takes longer than six pages to explain God's plan.
According to you, it must be a Marxist book.
Accepted.
You called me a liar when all I did was posit my opinion, not assert facts.
Whether you intend to mislead or not, saying "The two major partys are, almost, indistinuishable today," is a lie.
One party is for tax cuts, a strong defense, protection of marriage, right to life, ect etc etc.
There are differences between the partys but, IMO, they are differences of degree only.
No where is this lie more evident than the pro-life issue. Republicans want to end abortion, rats want to expand it to children my daughters age.
It's my belief that illegal immigrants should not be given preferential treatment in employment, or in receiving citizenship, JUST because they were here, illegally, first.
I agree. On the other hand, if you have ever employed a worker you know that it is often a crap shoot. You can verify references and past employment but you still may wind up with a drunk, thief, or equally irresponsible fool. An employer who is currently employing illegals, that they have spent money training, would prefer to keep that employee rather than hire a new untested immigrant. You can callously say "too bad...they are illegals," but training costs money and eats away at profit and limits raises and expansion...now multiply this by 15 million illegals and you can see the problem that xenophobes like Tancredo and Buchanan can't see...because they never hire anybody and they hate and don't understand business.
If all people should be weaned off government (and I agree) it is a irrelevent argument against illegals.
An employer who is currently employing illegals, that they have spent money training, would prefer to keep that employee rather than hire a new untested immigrant.
I understand that. If the employer wants to keep the worker that much, when the "guest worker" program takes effect, (if the rules go the way I would like them), the employer would have the employee go outside the border, apply for the job, then the company informs the government that they have a job for such and such.
The worker comes back in to the country, with a job waiting, and all is well.
I know, the question is why make both interested parties go to that trouble.
I just don't see rewarding people for breaking our laws as a good thing. Even if they are a good worker.
I also agree that enforcement of labor laws, now and after, is essential.
Please don't leave me hanging. What about the right to liberty invalidates my comments? Please elaborate. Do you believe the Founding Fathers believe all men are created equal but only American born people deserve a job and freedom? What is you point please?
Are both your home and bedroom "sovereign"? OR has anybody and everybody the "right" to enter without your authorization?
Yes. My bedroom is sovereign and protected by force. However there are exception. I will stay my hand for the fireman or police officer intent of saving my family from danger. I will stay my hand for delivery personnel who bring my purchases. I will stay my hand for friends and family. And I may stay my hand for the needy who seek shelter. Woe to the weary traveler whose car breaks down in your neighborhood. He may expect a bullet in his head. You are not your brothers keeper are you Cain?
Lol, what a Drama Queen! (applauding from the loge seats in the balcony)
That is not an illogical point or opinion. I am more lenient on this point than you, but I can accept the will of the American people if that becomes law. I don't think that illegals returning to their homeland is a deal breaker or unwarranted, just counter productive in some ways. Illegals returning to their homeland has some benefits including proving America is a law driven society. After reading your recent posts I feel I have misjudged your character. Reasonable people can disagree on issues. I appreciate your openness and honesty.
We both have strong opinions. I have withstood your strong comments. I did this without clicking on the abuse button because I believe in free speech. Strong opinions on important issues deserve strong language. Your profanity showed your strong opinion but did not strengthen your argument. We are both human and mistakes come with the territory. I would appreciate the same consideration from you if the situation is ever reversed.
I appreciate you tenacity and while I may never admit it in the heat of battle I often learn more from those who disagree with me than those who agree. This is not to say I have changed my mind but that opposition make me think more cleverly. Thank you for taking the time to challenge me.
The talent agent says there is no such thing as bad publicity. What matter as long as I am center stage. I see you have no rebuttal for my comments nor an explanation for my question even though I have answered yours. And thus I bow and exit stage left...
Isn't it enough that I'm rofl??
That's what's so incredulous. Note the Emperor wears no clothes on BOTH sides of the aisle -- even GOPers are blind. But NOT real conservatives.
Watch Hitlery's blow their minds when she runs on the "strong border enforcement" platform.
That is just the kind of ignorant self serving propaganda I'd expect from the xenophobic anti-capitalist right fringe. My bowel movements regularly achieve lengths of 18 inches and weigh on average 1.5 to 2 pounds on any given day. I eat extreme quantities of meat and fibrous vegetables. In June of 2002 I overflowed 2 toilets at work with minimal wiping paper and an unobstructed basin.
I know you fringers don't understand English well so I assume you mean to say "My dog's poo is bigger than your...dog's poo." But this again is lies on the highest order. My dog is a Chow/German Shepard mix. I have seen my dog poo a tower of over 10 inches in hight with minimal effort. I dare you to compare his bowel movements with dogs of lesser moral character.
The fact is, my dog's poo is American in every way. It is bigger, smellier, and prouder than any poo by competing countries. You don't have to accept my dog as the best canine poo producer in America, but you do yourself a disservice by underrating the quantity and quality of American dog poo. May God have mercy on your anti-American soul!
Yes. It was always enough.
Yes. We are all failible. It is hard to listen to those who denigrate. You have shown yourself to be a bigger man than I.
It is hard to give reasoned voice to those who disagree. It is harder still to remain calm in the face of unreasoned assault. You don't desearve an "A" but unreasonable response in the face of unreasonable attack is human. That makes you my equal. If you continue to be human I will try to be equaly argumentative and stupid. And perhaps we can agree we are less than perfect examples of our better nature.
I look forward to discussions in the future.
LOL. Good post. You finally got where I was going with this. Have a good weekend.
I think you are confused about the difference between debating and race bating.
It's more likely that if all illegal immigrant laborers were deported, the economy would be thrown into a depression and you wouldn't even have a job, much less medical insurance.
Of course our economy would go into the tank if our "illegal" population were deported.(sarcasm)
Rod has given us some rather stupid rhetoric on immigration issues, but this is by and far #1 in the stupid category.
So protecting our borders is now considered racism?
I think you've misread my post there, chief.
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