Posted on 02/23/2005 5:15:25 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
The reason cliches become cliches is that they're true.
I take it you oppose the President's Medicare drug proposals?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights
I struck a nerve. It has been my experience when one is accused of something that is untrue the most frequent responses are bewilderment or a denial and explanation of the truth. But when someone is caught in an embarrassing situation, men of low character attack and swear.
There are big differences in the party. I pointed out several in my last post. You are angry because my post was effective and I proved your assertions wrong. Your response is to repeat the lie only louder. LOL.
There are individuals in BOTH partys that stand out as true Americans.
Since you recognize this "truth" am I to believe you must be one of those elite "true Americans." Too bad you have to deal with all of us "fake Americans." Too bad you are a very tiny minority of voters.
much less you who can't hold a decent argument without spewing insults at someone you know very little about.
If you really believed I can't hold a decent argument, you would not need to respond. You could let my words stand as a monument to my poor debate skills. Your beliefs are not supportable by reality, but I suspect you have never been confronted by others who questioned your beliefs. You haven't had to defend them and you find yourself angry because you are not equipped to rational defend them. Don't feel bad, nobody could defend your assertions rationally. Instead you make unsupported and angry declarations in big capital letters about how cool you are personally and how you are being persecuted by my words. I didn't buy your previous post...you figure it out.
If you don't want to debate the differences in an amicable, cordial fashion, just say so and we'll turn the flames up.
You're going to turn the flames up higher? Higher than than your response that violates "Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts." You won't be posting it for long Joe. Your threat designed to shut me down was ineffective. I await your next profanity.
I think a combined approach of letting hard working illegals stay, booting out criminal and welfare illegals, and cracking down on businesses that employ illegals is the most effective approach under realistic standards of cost and logistics. I think building an impenetrable wall on our border is impractical and ascetically unpalatable for Americans. It is also a huge barrier to trade.
You have mentioned several times that you contribute to a charity clinic. You never recieved a proper response. I'm sorry it passed by me. Thank you for helping your fellow man. If God is not already shining his benevolence upon you for your charity, I believe you will be rewarded for it in the future.
Yes. I understand why both parties believed they had to pass it. The people of the USA do not always want what is best for them, but I believe it is better to let the people decide what is best for themselves rather than elite elected officials in Washington. I hope America will demand a reversal this program just as they demanded a reversal of AFDC.
I could point out all the supporting evidence, but it is obvious you didn't read it the first time so why would you read my excerpts?
As for your "white pride" remark, you can take that up with La Raza.
I'll let this stand as a monument to your debating skills.
I'll let this stand as a monument to your debating skills.
There are differences between the partys but, IMO, they are differences of degree only.
You pointed out actions of individuals in one party not the party itself. Both partys want, eventually, the same thing. All the votes of the American public and the power to make their platforms law.
Am I a "true American"?
You tell me what you consider that to be and I'll tell you if I qualify.
I know what my definition is but don't know if it would qualify as yours.
Your beliefs are not supportable by reality
What are my beliefs? Do you know?
Let's put this to the test with the subject at hand.
It's my belief that illegal immigrants should not be given preferential treatment in employment, or in receiving citizenship, JUST because they were here, illegally, first.
What this comes down to, IMO, is that any "guest worker" that is outside the US that applies gets a job before any "illegal immigrant" does. If the "illegal immigrant" wants to cross the border and apply when they are outside the US, fine.
In addition, any "guest worker" that wants to apply for citizenship has to wait for all current citizenship applicants to be processed before they will be accepted for consideration. Is that so hard to understand?
You were the one that started the acrimony with statements such as, "I spit in your direction you liar.", and "It is hard for me to disguise my disagust for enablers like you..
My intent was to let you know that if you wanted to up the ante, I was available for the game.
Again, I apologize for the profanity used but not for the intent of the post.
My dog's poo is bigger than yours.
You admit it does not happen on a daily basis. That would be 364 crimes at most. We are discussing 15 million illegals. Broad brush. Can you understand this now that I have simplified it for you?
it's called the truth and I doubt someone like you is prepared to deal with it.
I'll deal with it if you post it. I haven't heard any truth so far...just discrimination.
Of course we have a larger share of crimes are committed by native born but why should countless innocent people and families have to suffer rape, robbery and even murder at the hands of people who would not be here if the fedgov had stricter enforcement policies?
At a certain point it becomes obvious that the problem is not the government's, it is the American people who rent to illegals, employ illegals, and purchase goods and services from illegals. The American people will not stand for one, just one, 4 year old Latino girl shot by the border patrol. How many Ellian Gonzales's do you need to see to realize that the American people will not let us remove 15 million illegals? They may let us remove 4 million criminals or 2 million welfare cheats, but I don't know how they will deal with the children of the welfare cheats and criminals.
We have enough homegrown cretins so why import more?
I don't want to import cretins. I want to import workers. We have a labor shortage. Business keeps expanding but our population is stagnant. When the baby boomers retire we will be in big trouble unless social services are reduced (which I'm all for but the American people are less enthusiastic) or tax payers increase in number. My hope is both will occur.
We live in a global economy. Driving up cost for American goods means American goods don't get purchased. This is a simple idea if you think about it.
The quickest path to socialism is to destroy the livelihoods of the poor at the bottom end of the middle class. That is the path that mass immigration is leading us down. Say good bye to the NASCAR voters and the gun-rights blue collar labor Republicans. They will vote their economic values in front of their social values.
Poppycock. The voters have rejected the rats after 60 years of rat socialism. Socialism doesn't work, but the American people needed to figure that out for themselves. They have finally discovered the truth and it will be a long time before the socialism they built up will be eroded by Republicans. Sometimes that will require 1 step backwards before we can move 2 steps forward. Things like the drug benifit show the people they can trust Republicans to look out for them even though Republicans are portrayed as heartless money grubbing corporate thugs by the media.
I would say that this is part of the problem. We should be working to wean the public off of government programs and convincing them that minimal government is optimal. I don't see how this will be done by expanding government.
Thanks for posting. A worthy contribution to the ongoing debate.
Yep, "certain" -- NOT "all."
Btw, you still haven't answered the question:
Are both your home and bedroom "sovereign"? OR has anybody and everybody the "right" to enter without your authorization?
[sound of crickets]
The Catch-22 is that as long as they're illegal, they don't want to show up on anyone's radar scope. And as long as we don't grant illegals driver's licenses, which we shouldn't, they can't get auto insurance (at least from my insurer).
And they're probably dating his daughter.
We are much closer in our thinking than you seem to realize.
Surrender, essentially, yep.
It is funny to imagine, say, Hillary adopting a similar attitude. Imagine the intense frothing from all nooks and crannies on FR. *LOL*
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