Law and Borders

The Weekly Standard ^ | 2/28/2005 | Tamar Jacoby

[TheForceOfOne]

Correction:
A cold war by its definition is all acts of war short of violence....

[Poohbah]

Wasn't talking about you, personally.

Why do argue against America actually fighting and winning the war you claim is underway?

[Poohbah]

The problem is you think war means to conquer you enemy and to do so means to take their land and/or slay the army and citizens and that can be true in a hot war.

Either it's an invasion, or it isn't. Which one is it?

If it's an invasion, then we are at war.

A war by its definition is all acts of war short of violence.

I cannot believe that you posted something this idiotic.

[F16Fighter]

"Why do argue against America actually fighting and winning the war you claim is underway?"

Are you referring to Iraq OR the neo Mexican-American War?

[Poohbah]

A cold war by its definition is all acts of war short of violence....

I see.

However, any invasion, by definition, is an act of violence. We are, by your words, in a hot war with Mexico. Either fight it, or shut up. I don't care which one you do.

[TheForceOfOne]

Again, show me anywhere on this thread I said we should invade Mexico, and if you can't stop saying it or admit it is your terminology in your posts only.

Second, see my correction post #301

Last, one more insult and you can find someone to debate, I'm getting bored with the childish insults.

[Poohbah]

You're one of the folks saying that Mexico is invading America. Yet you also refuse to accept the consequences of your rhetoric, and you refuse to fight the war you claim to be underway; you merely seek to rebuild the Maginot and McNamara Lines, which were monuments to man's stupidity.

In order to win a war, you must invade and conquer the other nation's homeland. And there is no substitute for victory--except in the minds of those who throw the term "invasion" around with reckless glee until they get called on it.

[Poohbah]

Again, show me anywhere on this thread I said we should invade Mexico, and if you can't stop saying it or admit it is your terminology in your posts only.

That is the problem.

You claim, on the one hand, that Mexico is invading this country, which is an act of war.

On the other hand, you refuse to take the logical step needed to win this war you claim is underway. That step is to invade and conquer Mexico. You refuse to do it.

I will say it one more time: if you are saying "invasion," then you are saying we are at war--but you refuse to accept the consequences of your argument.

Either you need to start arguing for the invasion and conquest of Mexico, or you need to admit that you don't believe your own argument.

[TheForceOfOne]

There it is, your whole problem, your inability to rationalize the control of our borders without invading our neighbor.

You claim, on the one hand, that Mexico is invading this country, which is an act of war. - YES

On the other hand, you refuse to take the logical step needed to win this war you claim is underway. That step is to invade and conquer Mexico. You refuse to do it. - YOU DID IT AGAIN! you said invade.

I will say it one more time: if you are saying "invasion," then you are saying we are at war--but you refuse to accept the consequences of your argument. - AND AGAIN!

Either you need to start arguing for the invasion and conquest of Mexico, or you need to admit that you don't believe your own argument. - AND AGAIN!

Stop saying invade! We can load up the border and stop anyone who crosses it or scare the hell out of them by show of force to not even try, that is a cold war.

You fail to comprehend this fact.

[Once-Ler]

So your answer is more government?

Not more government...different government. The rules we have now are broke. Dubya says lets fix the problem and you say what? Add soldiers to our borders? Isn't that more government?

[Once-Ler]

Until that time I just see them as vermin.

Sadly most of your side doesn't see them as human. It makes it easier to hate them.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"We have the right to defend our territory so whether it is a plane entering illegal air space, a ship or boat entering U.S. territorial waters, or violation of our sovereignty by ground assault we retain the military right to defend this country."

The military does what Force?

It fights wars.

So then, if we are being "invaded" as you say that we are, and we retain the military right to defend this country, as you say that we do...why will you not demand that we invade Mexico and end this invasion by military means?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Sorry...misplaced decimal point.

Now...I need a diswasher to run my restaurant, it can't operate without one.

Will you guarantee me that you will come in night after night and earn that "living wage" of $5.15/hr?

[Poohbah]

There it is, your whole problem, your inability to rationalize the control of our borders without invading our neighbor.

Separate issues. You are unable to engage in debate without reaching for hyperbole, and then you get upset when you're called on it.

Stop saying invade!

You first.

We can load up the border and stop anyone who crosses it or scare the hell out of them by show of force to not even try, that is a cold war.

And the second that force is gone, we have the same problem all over again.

Invading and conquering Mexico would solve the problem for good.

You seem to want a permanent problem, not a solution.

And you engage in BS hyperbole to get your permanent problem.

You, sir, are the one slinging around the term "invasion."

If you are really serious about this being an invasion, then treat it as such, invade Mexico, and be done with it.

If you're not willing to do that, then please leave this discussion for those of us who know what words mean.

[TheForceOfOne]

Reallocation of troop deployment would not necessarily mean more government, higher troop levels? maybe depending on what else is happening in the world at that time.

[Poohbah]

So then, if we are being "invaded" as you say that we are, and we retain the military right to defend this country, as you say that we do...why will you not demand that we invade Mexico and end this invasion by military means?

Once that force is in place, it can never be removed without restarting the problem.

He wants a permanent problem, not a solution to the problem.

Perhaps he is being paid by Islamist shills to tie down a large fraction of our military might in a never-ending mission, instead of leaving them to actually fight and win the war against terrorism.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Hey Force...

Let's say that we militarize the borders.

Post the National Guard to stop the influx.

When do they stand down?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Perhaps he is being paid by Islamist shills"

That wasn't necessary.

[Poohbah]

When do they stand down?

Never.

And our military, which relies on the active, reserve, and National Guard components as a "Total Force," is suddenly and permanently crippled.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Stop saying invade!"

Wow...