[9999lakes]

To denigrate computer models is one thing.

To ignore evidence like Alaskan glaciers that are retreating at a rate of 2 feet a year, or red-leaf maples {warm-weather trees} showing up in cold-weather Boundary Waters of Minnesota, is another.

Conservatives please -- go slow on this. Don't get ahead of the evidence. That is the way libs argue. We need to be smarter.

[Publius6961]

To ignore evidence like Alaskan glaciers that are retreating at a rate of 2 feet a year, or red-leaf maples {warm-weather trees} showing up in cold-weather Boundary Waters of Minnesota, is another.
No one I know of has ever argued that there is not evidence of global warming and cooling. That has always been obvious and indisputable. The record shows us that extreme, gross variabilities is the normal state of nature.
The argument has always been: is man causing it? Can man prevent it? Should man even try?
To most of us the answer is clear and indisputable: don't be silly!

Conservatives please -- go slow on this. Don't get ahead of the evidence. That is the way libs argue. We need to be smarter.
Some people are so poor in mind and spirit that they need something greater than themselves to worship, and to fear, that is also politically correct.
We can tolerate that pathology, but we can't afford to cater to irrationality. Our Age of Enlightenment is long past.
Let the ignorant worship volcanoes and tofu, no harm done.

[cb]

You be smarter first. There are a lot of studies which indicate that in past periods of warm up, co2 levels increased after the warmup. There is a vast amount of co2 dissolved in deep ocean waters that is released when the oceans warm by other means. We never saw the day we could release that much!

I believe our point is that man can have little impact on an engine we do not understand and is vastly larger in its devices than anything we can do. Thus, the left is nutcakes to argue for action, when there is no proof that we are the cause, or could effect any change anyway.

One thing is certain, the left will destroy civilization if given the chance.

[palmer]

To ignore evidence like Alaskan glaciers that are retreating at a rate of 2 feet a year, or red-leaf maples {warm-weather trees} showing up in cold-weather Boundary Waters of Minnesota, is another.

The best evidence shows warming trends similar to the Medieval Warm Period around 600 to 800 years ago (comparing 1000 years worth of tree rings from across the northern hemisphere). The glaciers are melting due to the warmup from the Little Ice Age which just ended in the 1800's.

As for the CO2 to warming models, they assume there is a "forcing" effect where increases in CO2 (a weak greenhouse gas) cause increases in water vapor (a strong greenhouse gas). This forcing effect is a hypothesis that has never been proven. In fact there is evidence that warming may cause increases in CO2. For the record, I believe mankind is increasing the CO2 in the atmosphere but that it's a small amount compared to the natural carbon cycle and will end up being rebalanced by nature.

[FMBass]

Perhaps you misunderstood my point. Weather is extremely complex and science does not have the sensors, computational tools or a sufficient database to draw any long term conclusions.
What you term as evidence is in fact just a few select data points.

[MadIvan]

The earth has gone through much more dramatic changes in temperature in its past without the intervention of man. To somehow suggest that man can stop the forces of nature which are in motion, not fixed, is folly. Global warming, cooling, what have you - is a fact of the natural world; we should think about how we will adapt, not go off on some quasi-mystical crusade against technology in the hopes that global temperatures can be held at a fixed point in time.

Ivan

[add925]

I understand Methane is one of the biggest contributors to Global Warming.

Methane released to the atmosphere is mainly caused by flatulence.

I also understand CO₂ is a greenhouse gas. It is produced by exhaling and loud talking.

Here is enemy #1 for both greenhouse gases:

Oh, the humanity!