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To: Ben Ficklin

"The arrival of mexicans has generally raised wages for many/most natives."

How many blue-collar familes do you know personally? I can assure you that when illegal aliens infiltrate an industry it means only one thing to the Americans who previously worked in that industry - a large pay cut and displacement from the job market.

Think about something here for a minute: Why should law-abiding American citizens have to step aside to accommodate law-breaking noncitizens and give a break to the scuzzbucket employers that exploit these illegals? Can you see what's wrong with that picture?

Is America only a nation of laws for the "little guy"? Are employers some kind of privileged people who don't have to abide by the same laws that bind the rest of the population? Why should an American citizen (who happens to be a great carpenter, plumber, electrician, heavy equipment operator...you fill in the blank) have to step aside so a NONCITIZEN can be given his job? In a lot of cases, the above American carpenters, plumbers, etc., are business owners themselves and are driven out of business because they can't compete when they're having to bid against other same-type businesses that hire illegals.

Again, what other laws do YOU think it's okay for a business to break if it improves the business's bottom line?

"If a man wants to make a living driving a garbage truck. his future is not too bright. He should get a pell grant."

You know, this may be a big shock to you, but not every one living in America is suited for a college education. Some people are wonderful electricians, plumbers, carpenters, etc., but they just aren't cut out to be a doctor, lawyer, nurse, banker, CPA or IT geek. Those people don't count for much in your world, do they?


177 posted on 02/23/2005 9:52:26 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: EagleMamaMT
Let me point out how you shifted my statement.

I mention driving garbage trucks, you distort that to electricians and other skilled trades.

Let me expand my statement. There are many, many jobs that require no skills. Driving garbage trucks, cutting chickens, cutting firewood. And yes, there are electrical and plumbing jobs that require no skills. If you are protected by a union, you are OK.

Let me assure that for the man that wants to hustle, there are many oppurtunities in Springdale.

The world changes. It always has and it always will. The workforce in this country is vastly different from what it was a 100 years ago. The women have moved in. The blacks have moved in. The mexicans have moved in.

Your statement that some people are not cut out to be educated is pure silliness. My father was a chicken cutter, I'm a chicken cutter, and my son will be a chicken cutter. Work with your head, not your hands.

180 posted on 02/23/2005 10:22:15 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

And, another thing: In every country in the world, throughout recorded history, the gifted, highly intelligent and well educated have always been able to rise to the top, do well financially and have a good standard of living. Even in Soviet Russia if a citizen was extremely smart or talented, he enjoyed a better standard of living than his average fellow citizens experienced.

Do you know what sets America apart from all the other countries in the world? The fact that an Average American Joe could get a public school education, get a job as a garbage truck driver (or carpenter or plumber or bricklayer, etc.) and make a decent living and support his family - and in a lot of cases he could advance to owning the business himself someday. He didn't have to be the best or the brightest (or the scion of a rich family) - he could still have a good life and contribute to the good of the country.

Now, suddenly, people like you want to tell Average American Joe to get lost...you can replace Joe with a cheap illegal immigrant for less than half Joe's salary and he should just "go get a pell grant" or drop dead.

Average American Joe is going to have a message for people like you one of these days and it isn't going to be a message you'll like either. I hope you're ready for the backlash of socialism that's coming to this country, because you "illegals are wonderful and they work so C-H-E-E-E-P types" are going to be reaping the whirlwind.


182 posted on 02/23/2005 10:25:04 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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