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Wrong. He may not excommunicate innocent people. If he does, such a judgment has no effect. You need to read up a little on this.

If you are dragging out the SSPX, the installation of a Bishop against the Holy Father's wishes is a excommunicatable offense, and indeed had plenty of forewarning.

You speak of an "Integrist heresy." Care to elaborate on such a slander?

I found a source for Integrist, Pope Pius X, speaking of those who elevate any mistake or abuse in liturgy or the Church as the most grave of error.

In fact the Pontiff has been doctrinally contrary to all his predecessors on the subject

Care to post any excatherdra statements on Capital punishment? It is isn't dogma, then a Pope may refine the Church's position. At one time murderers and traitors could break free from prisons and kill again and again, killing them judicially was the only way to keep them from doing a greater evil. The preference today is to imprison them, and give them time to convert, instead of killing them and sending them to Hell.

In fact, traditionalists who are in the SSPX or who attend SSPX Masses are guilty of nothing except sticking to the faith while rejecting papal heterodoxies. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that

Still imbibing the schismatic mentality I see. Traditionalists are not in the SSPX, there can be no traditionalists at all in that organization because they reject the Pope in a practical way, while hypocritically offering prayers for his intentions. Furthermore, part of tradition is being in union with the See, and looking to it for help, not looking at it with derision, which you evidently display here regularly.

Your hatred for Catholicism is proof enough that you are outside the Church.

"If you are dragging out the SSPX, the installation of a Bishop against the Holy Father's wishes is a excommunicatable offense, and indeed had plenty of forewarning."

How about excommunicating the abortionists, those who willfully practice modernism within the Church, and suspending those priests who abuse the liturgy, among other things? (Sarcastically) Well, that cant do! Lets just excommunicate those who want to uphold tradition yet praise (either by indifference or otherwise) those who seek the ruin of the Church!!!! (Serious) Yeah, what do you have to say about that?

1. "If you are dragging out the SSPX, the installation of a Bishop against the Holy Father's wishes is a excommunicatable offense, and indeed had plenty of forewarning."

No, I'm stating a fact. Popes can't excommunicate whomever they choose as you seem to think. They can't excommunicate anybody innocent. If they could, such power would be monstrously evil. Forget about SSPX. I'm talking about Catholic principles. No pope can excommunicate somebody else because he simply chooses to. This is simply a false idea.

As for the Archbishop and his followers in the SSPX, the forewarnings made no difference whatsoever. They still refused to offend against the faith by assisting in the destruction of the ancient Mass for the sake of false obedience. Do you think a warning would have any more impact than a direct order from the Pope? Your thinking on this is absurd.

2. "I found a source for Integrist, Pope Pius X, speaking of those who elevate any mistake or abuse in liturgy or the Church as the most grave of error."

Do you think INVENTING a Mass that is Protestant in its theology and which in direct contravention of the Council of Trent is the same thing as a mere liturgical mistake or abuse? No wonder you people are floundering in deep intellectual doo-doo! You can't even make proper distinctions. What happened was not a mistake. It was not even an abuse. It was the concoction--by a committee of well-known humanists that included Protestant advisors--of a liturgy that had never existed before. It was also the deliberate substitution for a rite that had evolved over two thousand years under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and which up till 1969 had been the crown jewel of Catholicism and the primary means for conveying the Catholic faith. In its place was put a protestantizing liturgy that has been destroying the Catholic faith ever since. That is not a mistake, that is a catastrophe.

3. "Care to post any excatherdra statements on Capital punishment?"

Do you think all official Church doctrines must be expressed ex cathedra? Where are the ex cathedra statements on abortion or homosexuality? There are infallible doctrines pronounced by the Ordinary Magisterium--and these doctrinal pronouncements which have been consistently expressed over the years by various popes. The novel ideas expressed by JPII cannot be infallible in this way. They cannot be divinely protected from error if they are inconsistent with prior teachings.

"Your hatred for Catholicism is proof enough that you are outside the Church."

Who is showing hatred on this thread? Not I. Sure I'm angry--the way any Catholic should be who values his faith. It is as though some gang of thugs had entered my home and ravaged everything within it. There is bitterness and anger--these are human emotions. But there is no hate. The only hate expressed is by so-called Catholics like yourself who resent any criticism of papal heterodoxy.