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Feeding Tube To Remain. Judge Issues Stay.[Terri Schiavo]

Posted on 02/22/2005 11:29:33 AM PST by ConservativeMan55

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To: MarMema

Thanks very much!! I think some of those really great videos would gain more support for Terri.

On another matter, I'm practically positive that you were the one who alerted me to St. Joseph foundation. I sent them info about Bishop Lynch not helping Terri and this is part of the response that I received from them:

"If the worst happens, one canonical possibility is the preparation of
denunciations (A denunciation is a canonical criminal complaint.) of
those bishops who did nothing. Homicide is a violation of ecclesiastical
as well as secular law (c. 1397). Moreover, it is arguable that their
failure to act could be seen as assistance, without which the crime
would not have occurred. Admittedly, this would be stretching a point
and I hope and pray that event will not unfold so as to make
denunciations necessary.

From: st-joseph@st-joseph-foundation.org


361 posted on 02/23/2005 12:26:46 AM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: MarMema

I'm really going to bed this time. I mean it! Goodnight and God bless!


362 posted on 02/23/2005 12:27:01 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Sun
Are you Catholic? Because I find it interesting how many of these patients are Catholic, like Hugh Finn, and Steven Becker, and Terri.

Do you know of Nancy Valko? She is a wonderful writer. You might want to read some of her stuff online. Just google her for lots of it.

363 posted on 02/23/2005 12:28:43 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

No, no. Stay with us. :-)


364 posted on 02/23/2005 12:29:08 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MarMema

I would, but I don't want to let everyone down tomorrow. The longer I stay up, the harder it is to catch up. Took me all night to catch up with my pings today! I must've had four or five pages of them!!


365 posted on 02/23/2005 12:35:30 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: MarMema

Yes, I am Catholic. Are you?


366 posted on 02/23/2005 12:39:57 AM PST by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: bjs1779
Why isn't this obvious to everyone? Michael's own words- from his testimony when he was seeking monetary support so he could take care of Terri for the rest of his life-make NO MENTION of Terri wanting to be euthanized.

Then after he receives the money so he can care for Terri he "remembers" that she supposedly "said" she wouldn't want to live on life support and that she mentioned it because they were "watching a TV show" about it. But he can't remember what TV show they were watching (more than likely it was a show about someone on a ventilator).

At the time that MS "remembered" that Terri supposedly "said" that she didn't want to live on whatever life support was portrayed on the TV show they were watching, (that he can't remember)- a feeding tube was not considered life support or extraordinary.

There is nothing in in writing from Terri stating her wishes. Yet from this single flimsy statement of MS, "Judge" Greer has been trying to allow the poor woman murdered by starvation? This is total madness. And it is just one of 100 billion oddities and conflicts about Terri's case. (How about Felos ties to the euthanasia movement and his upcoming book for example).

God please help Terri, remove the blinders from the eyes, and unplug the ears of the judges and people who are trying to murder an innocent disabled person. Make them see and hear the truth , make them unable to deceive themselves further about the evil they are trying to inflict on Terri. Remove the hardness from their hearts Father Almighty, that they will turn from this path of darkness and return Terri to her loving parents. Lord hear the prayers of all for Terri , Your will be done -Amen

367 posted on 02/23/2005 12:40:47 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for Terri. Pray for Terri. Pray for Terri.)
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To: MarMema; Heisenberg

Re: Post #222.....

To be useful, the organs would have to be taken before dehydration/starvation was begun. Withdrawal of sustenance would no longer be an issue.


368 posted on 02/23/2005 1:29:16 AM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: Sun
Eastern Orthodox. I just thought you might be interested in seeing this, in light of what you posted.

Religion and ethics

Watch the video if you can.

369 posted on 02/23/2005 1:34:42 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: windchime
Withdrawal of sustenance would no longer be an issue.

That is the eventual plan, I do believe. Feeding tube removal is the ice breaker.

370 posted on 02/23/2005 1:35:38 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Scoop 1; Ohioan from Florida; floriduh voter; pc93; tutstar; cyn
During our peaceful protest in front of Michael Schiavo's home yesterday, Michael called the police. Several minutes later, 5 cruisers showed up. The policemen spoke with us for several minutes, were very friendly, and left. Michael never came out of his house. But his mistress of 12 years drove out with her expensive mini-van. I included several photo of Michael and Jodi's lovely home. The houses next to theirs are worth about $400,000.


371 posted on 02/23/2005 3:40:46 AM PST by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org & www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: MarMema; Ohioan from Florida; pc93; tutstar
I realize the insane floriduh courts have already rejected this, but its just not right....

In regards to the teachings of the Catholic church, Felos and Greer are REJECTING the recent rulings of the pope, and pretending that has no bearing on this case.

But they depended in part on the interpretations by a priest in year 2000, (Father Murphey), of Pope Pius' vague words at a medical conference in 1953, for their condemnation of Terri to death.

But They shouldn't have it BOTH WAYS. They should have been forced to strike out the erroneous testimony of Father Murphey and replace it with this Pope's much more clear definition of artificial life support, and the absolute need for nutrition and hydration for the incapicated, and let a jury decide if the evidence STILL warrants her death sentence.

Greer rejects the pope's ruling because it came after the year 2000 trial, but monster Greer had NO PROBLEM retro-actively applying year 2000 laws to pre-1990 heresay.

Impeach Judge GREER!!!


January 24, 2000  - EXCERPT OF TRIAL - TESTIMONY OF FATHER MURPHY 

Q (By Mr. Felos) Father, in the Catholic church, do papal teachings 
   or pronouncements hold primacy as compared to the teachings and 
   pronouncements of bishops or cardinals?

A Yes. The pope sets the tone. 

Q Are there any papal pronouncements or teachings in the area on use 
  or removal of artificial life support?

A In 1953 Pope Pius the IV met with a group of physicians who considered 
  those questions in conference. Pius was almost prophetic in foreseeing 
  what would happen fifty -- forty years later. The teaching that he taught 
  was that Catholics are mortally bound to respect life and to care for life, 
  but not at all costs.

 He introduced the concept of extordinary versus ordinary means. 
 A Catholic is mortally bound to take advantage of ordinary,
 proportionate or disproportionate. 

  .
  .
  .

Q I want you to assume, Father Murphy, for purposes of this question that Theresa Schiavo 
  told her husband that if she were dependent on the care of others she would not want 
  to live like that. And also Theresa Schiavo mentioned to her husband and to her brother 
  and sister-in-law that she would not want to be  kept alive artificially. 

  Assuming that information to be correct,  father, would the removal 
  of Theresa Schiavo's feeding tube be consistent or 
  inconsistent with the position of the Catholic church? 

A After all that has transpired, I believe, yes, it would 
  be consistent with the teaching of the Catholic church. 




               

372 posted on 02/23/2005 4:12:54 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Trinity_Tx; caseinpoint; tutstar
During cross examination, Michael had to clarify his remarks on the stand about insurance payments. He agreed it was not insurance payments, but it was disability payments that he got from Terri's insurance company. He also testified that he started getting Social Security payments for Terri as soon as the disability payments ran out.

I have no doubt that as an employee of Prudential Insurance, she has at least a small life insurance policy. And how conveeeeenient is it that Mikey's new common-law wife is also an insurance AGENT? ...and with Mikey also dabbling in insurance. I strongly suspect they would know how to backdate a newer policy for her.

But MORE likely at some point in the mid-90's, since a jury had already found that Terri had 50 more years of life expectancy, that they didn't even NEED to backdate a policy, they might have been able to take one out legally. And since Jodi was no relation to Terri, what's the worst that could happen to Jodi for writing a multi-million dollar policy for Terri in 1996 or 97? lose her job? lose her insurance agency?

Let's also keep in mind the million or so dollars put into Terri's trust fund in the early 90's was invested, and IMO that would have been mostly in the stock market, which TRIPLED in the next 5 years. I suspect the financial statements we once saw, only reflected the original principal minus lawyers fees. I believe there is a LOT more money at stake here for Michael, than what he and Felos are claiming.


               

373 posted on 02/23/2005 4:15:05 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: caseinpoint
"I hope Michael will just walk away from this one, sign Terri over to her parents, write a blockbuster book, make his kids legitimate and live a private life again. I think it would be win-win for all."

That sounds like common sense. Sign Terri over to her parents and walk away. It should be the ONLY solution to this tragedy. Now if they were not willing or able to assume responsibility there would certainly be an issue to contend with. Divorce, annulment? These are nothing in the big picture of choosing life or death for this poor woman.
374 posted on 02/23/2005 5:36:14 AM PST by kc2theline (Support our troops and the CIC that sends them to defend us.)
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To: Pajamajan
Yes, Michael did not "remember" Terri's wish to die until much later. How can a person such as he, who has a mistress Jodi and has publicly revealed his sadistic nature towards Terri and her family, be allowed to remian her guardian? CourtTV has a poll on this question. So far Michael is ahead.

Terri Poll

375 posted on 02/23/2005 5:41:38 AM PST by Dante3
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To: kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul
Why couldn't Gov. Bush go in there with State Troopers and take over Terri's room. If activist judges can so disregard State Law that is suppose to protect and preserve life, then why can't Gov. Bush decide enough is enough! Shoot to kill anyone who tries to get in the way.

If that tactic was good enough for Elian Gonzalez as far as the Feds were concerned (Clinton, Reno, and the rest of the libs were all for it), then why not now in this case?

I thought of the same thing when I was writing that...

Great minds think alike!

PS... Love the picture of the sword!

376 posted on 02/23/2005 5:53:01 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: Judith Anne
Asking St. Jude's help, here: Most holy apostle, St. Jude, faithful servant and friend of Jesus, the Church honors and invokes you, universally, as the patron of hopeless cases, of things almost despaired of. Please pray for Terry, she is so helpless and alone. Please make use, I implore you, of that particular privilege given to you, to bring visible and speedy help where help is almost despaired of. Please come to her assistance in these great needs, that she may receive the consolation and help of heaven in all her necessities, tribulations, and sufferings, particularly let her continue to be fed, to live, and to have visits from her priest and family. And I promise, O Blessed St. Jude, to be ever mindful of these great favors, to always honor you as my special and powerful patron, and to gratefully encourage devotion to you.

Amen!

377 posted on 02/23/2005 5:55:44 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: fiesti; Heisenberg

Yep you are so right, fiesti. Our daughter needs a kidney but I would never condone murdering Terri so she could have it (should they match) Terri reacts to people, for Gods sake. Not reflexive reactions either. Methinks someone who has only been here for 10 days has not read all he can or doesn't want to.


378 posted on 02/23/2005 6:25:31 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: FL_engineer

I agree and with term life you can get a 10,20,30 etc. year set rate. Wonder if MS is afraid the time limit is coming up.


379 posted on 02/23/2005 6:41:45 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: bootless

That's because you know the power of prayer and that there is a higher power than those on this earth who think they know it all. God bless Terri and her family.


380 posted on 02/23/2005 6:59:51 AM PST by cubreporter (U)
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