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Confusing Rules Deny Vote to Ex-Felons, Study Says
NY Times ^ | February 20, 2005 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 02/21/2005 10:17:53 AM PST by neverdem

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For arguments sake, lets exclude felons who committed crimes that involved violence or the threat of violence. With respect to the right of self defense, do you think these folks would be advocating the restoration of a person's second amendment rights after they served their sentence? What's more important, the right to vote or the right to self defense?
1 posted on 02/21/2005 10:17:55 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Confusing Rules Deny Vote to Ex-Felons

Cry me a flippin' river.

2 posted on 02/21/2005 10:19:32 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: wmichgrad

"The Sentencing Project said its study was the first to survey how frequently felons were denied voting rights in states with restrictive policies. It examined 14 states that do not automatically restore voting rights to felons after they complete their sentences. Those states are Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming."

Ping.


3 posted on 02/21/2005 10:20:53 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: neverdem

RTBA is more important - inalienable right. But I think felons should lose voting rights permanently.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 10:21:00 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: neverdem

"With respect to the right of self defense, do you think these folks would be advocating the restoration of a person's second amendment rights after they served their sentence?"

Yes. Their RKBA rights should be restored.


5 posted on 02/21/2005 10:21:54 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Confusing Rules Deny Vote to Ex-Felons

No, the LAW denies that.

From a time when people actual valued the right to vote, when to lose that right was tantamount to being imprisoned.

6 posted on 02/21/2005 10:22:25 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Fenris6

"But I think felons should lose voting rights permanently."

Why?


7 posted on 02/21/2005 10:22:34 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Did you read the story before you made your comment?


8 posted on 02/21/2005 10:24:51 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Right on the heels of Shrillary's call to allow felons to vote, the NY Slimes launches its supporting operation.


9 posted on 02/21/2005 10:26:18 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (The 80s belonged to the Gipper, the Aughts belong to Dubya!)
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But I think felons should lose voting rights permanently.

Why?

Convicted felons shouldn't have a voice in America's future.

10 posted on 02/21/2005 10:30:00 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: CSM

That's simple: commission of a felony demonstrates that one does not have the maturity or the respect for the rules of society necessary to be making decisions about the direction of society.


11 posted on 02/21/2005 10:30:53 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: neverdem

I was against letting ex-felons vote until I heard from a gal who was put in prison for meth when she was 17. She served her time and has been clean for many years. I think people like that SHOULD be allowed to vote. Plus in some states it is already allowed.


12 posted on 02/21/2005 10:30:53 AM PST by NEBO (With a straight face Kerry said I have only had one position on Iraq I could barely contain myself.)
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To: Fenris6

Someone said on the radio last week that impeached ex-presidents should not be allowed to vote! LOL


13 posted on 02/21/2005 10:31:33 AM PST by NEBO (With a straight face Kerry said I have only had one position on Iraq I could barely contain myself.)
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To: neverdem
Ah, but who did the study? The Sentencing Project...

www.sentencingproject.org

Gee, they're a not-for-profit, too. Donations are tax-deductible. Wonder where they get their money? And how apolitical they really are...

14 posted on 02/21/2005 10:32:54 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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I was against letting ex-felons vote until I heard from a gal who was put in prison for meth when she was 17. She served her time and has been clean for many years. I think people like that SHOULD be allowed to vote. Plus in some states it is already allowed.

As I learned in law school, hard cases make bad law.

While there may be some cases such as the one you cite, where the restoration of voting rights might make sense, that does not mean that all freed felons should be able to vote.

Loss of civil rights (voting, bearing arms, etc.) should be the rule for felons, restoration should be the exception in exceptional circumstances.

15 posted on 02/21/2005 10:34:42 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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14 states that do not automatically restore voting rights to felons after they complete their sentences....Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming.

The real question is, "what does hillary have to gain by running roughshod over the rights of these sovereign states?"

16 posted on 02/21/2005 10:34:59 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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Did you read the story before you made your comment?

Ok, you got me. But now that I've read it, I'll stick by my point - I'm not sorry felons might have a tough time getting the right to vote. My comment was addressed toward the felons, not toward you.

17 posted on 02/21/2005 10:35:14 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: neverdem

What does it say about the Dems if they think letting criminals vote will help their chances to win?


18 posted on 02/21/2005 10:35:35 AM PST by mr2trucker
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What does it say about the Dems if they think letting criminals vote will help their chances to win?


19 posted on 02/21/2005 10:36:41 AM PST by mr2trucker
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To: NEBO

I am a former felon and a legally registered voter AND a conservative.


Those of us who get straight and stay straight, do so because we become conservative in my opinion. Anyone who is a felon and isn't cleaning up thier act isn't worried about voting. I know I wasn't. I would never allow voting for people who are incarcerated, on parole or probation.


20 posted on 02/21/2005 10:36:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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