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Natchez(Ms)conference explores Free Blacks in the Antebellum South (Imagine That)
Gulf Live .com ^ | 2/21/2005, 12:00 a.m. CT | By KATHY HANRAHAN

Posted on 02/21/2005 4:25:15 AM PST by WKB

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1 posted on 02/21/2005 4:25:16 AM PST by WKB
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2 posted on 02/21/2005 4:26:24 AM PST by WKB (Is it weird here, or is it just me?)
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3 posted on 02/21/2005 4:35:59 AM PST by PeaRidge ("Walt got the boot? I didn't know. When/why did it happen?" Ditto 7-22-04 And now they got #3fan.)
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4 posted on 02/21/2005 4:47:53 AM PST by IronJack
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5 posted on 02/21/2005 5:43:21 AM PST by stainlessbanner (Gather round y'all)
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To: WKB
The quarter of a million figure is much higher than the one I learned at the University of Alabama. I doubt very much that it is accurate.

There were also about 200 free Blacks across the South who owned slaves. Many free Blacks lived in coastal areas. Here in Alabama, Horace Mann was a well known free Black who was a bride builder/engineer.
6 posted on 02/21/2005 5:53:01 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: WKB
"There were actually more free blacks in the South than there were in the North during these years," Berlin said.

First time I've heard that statistic.

7 posted on 02/21/2005 6:07:30 AM PST by Magnolia (Pennies a day help keep Liberals at bay.....become a monthly donor!)
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To: WKB
History as taught in the American schools would have one believe that Slavery is an American institution and all Slaves bought and transported out of Africa were bought and transported by Americans.

Muslims were among the first Slave traders, walking the African slaves from West to East. Seafaring nations Portugal,Spain, Holland, France, England, then traded in slaves and transported them to the New Word.

The vast majority of the Salves entering the New World were found in the Caribbean and South America, the sugar cane plantation areas. Aprox. 5% of all the slaves eventually landed in the what is now the United States. The United States as a nation had little to do with the trading and transportation of Slaves from Africa. A student in the United States would never know this being educated in an American schools.

I am amazed that Muslim names are adopted by ethnic groups in the US, El this and Al that, considering that the Muslims were among the most prevalent Slave traders.

8 posted on 02/21/2005 6:59:43 AM PST by BIGZ
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To: Magnolia
There is a monument to black Confederate soldiers in Canton, Ms, that the PC'ers ignore also.
9 posted on 02/21/2005 7:17:58 AM PST by vetvetdoug (Just when one thinks life is strange, it gets stranger.)
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"There were actually more free blacks in the South than there were in the North during these years," Berlin said."


I knew that there were free blacks, and black slave
traders, but I didn't know this.

I have not heard of Mississippi in Africa, either.

Very interesting article, WKB.
Thanks bunches for posting it.


10 posted on 02/21/2005 8:01:11 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Magnolia

Looks like we focused on the same thing. ;o)


11 posted on 02/21/2005 8:01:50 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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"There is a monument to black Confederate soldiers in Canton, Ms,..."


I didn't know that, either.
I've learned a lot this morning,
and it's still early.


"...that the PC'ers ignore also."


I DID know about that.
That's par for the course. ;o)


12 posted on 02/21/2005 8:04:29 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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dixie FREEDOM bum!

free diixe,sw

13 posted on 02/21/2005 8:24:30 AM PST by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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I found the following in the Feb. 12, 1859 State Gazette of Austin, Texas:

The government of France has entered into a contract for the supply of the islands of Guadaloupe and Martinique with ten thousand African immigrants. In the affair of the French immigrant vessel, the Regina Coell, it was declared on trial that, the majority of negroes on board were slaves who had been purchased from the Vey chiefs, and Prince Manna, at a rate of two dollars a head -- half cash and half British goods. They were put on board the French vessel with chains and ropes and thus confined.

I looked up the Vey (or Vye) tribe and found that it was a tribe on the west coast of Africa, apparently in the area of the Gallinas River in or near Sierra Leone and Liberia. Prince Manna lived along the Gallinas River and in an 1845 visit by the British denied selling British subjects as slaves. The Amistad slaves were from the interior but passed through the Gallinas area on the way to the New World.

An account of the Gallinas area written in 1837-38 says the following. [Source: Gallinas slave market].

Gallinas, in the latitude 7° 05' N and longitude 11° 35' W, the notorious slave mart of the Northwest Coast of Africa, is a river whose entrance and interior is not navigable but to boats and small crafts. Four years back, the shores of this shallow river were colonized by Spanish slave dealers who, while they remained undisturbed, accumulated several fortunes.

The indigenes of this river, who are called Vye, were not numerous before the establishment of the Spanish [slave] factories, but since 1813 when several ships from Cuba landed their rich cargoes, the neighboring cities flocked to this river, and as there is much similarity in their languages, they soon became naturalized with the aborigines of its sandy and marshy soil.

Time brought into notice this slave mart, and merchants from Havana sent out agents to establish their deposits of goods and permanent barracoons. The double and treble call for slaves soon dispopulated the immediate Interior, when it became urgent for the natives of Gallinas to extend their wars further into the Interior. And in a few more years this river was surrounded with wars, but as the slave factories supplied them with powder and guns, they made headway against a multitude of enemies who, not understanding the politics of alliance, fought them separately and were generally repulsed.


14 posted on 02/21/2005 8:31:39 AM PST by rustbucket
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I wish I would have known before hand, I would have attended. My dissertation is on black Union soldiers recruited in that vacinity.


15 posted on 02/21/2005 10:13:39 AM PST by flying Elvis
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It's commendable that this conference is being held.


16 posted on 02/21/2005 10:22:47 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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I wish I would have known before hand, I would have attended. My dissertation is on black Union soldiers recruited in that vacinity.

Enticements like the following ad in the Vicksburg Herald newspaper might have played a role in recruitment. Caps, italics and spacing are roughly like that of the ad, which was reported in the April 4, 1865, Galveston Daily News.

RECRUITS FOR MASSACHUSETTS QUOTA

$625.00 Bounty
$425.00 CASH DOWN

The same bounty and pay to
WHITE OR COLORED RECRUITS.
All get sixteen dollars per month.
Choose your own Regiment or Company.

Liberal pay to agents for bringing recruits to me.
Lieut. Col. E. C. Kinsley,
Ass’t Provost Marshall of Massachusetts for the District of Mississippi
Headquarters at Vicksburg – Office on Washington Street near Clay, over Col. Saunders & Co.’s store.

The bounty was equivalent to 39 months of pay and was probably a big incentive for newly freed slaves in Mississippi, who doubtless didn't have great prospects for earning much money otherwise. Good luck on your dissertation.

17 posted on 02/21/2005 1:07:50 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: Magnolia
First time I've heard that statistic

When you consider the black codes of the north banned blacks from living in many of the northern states, it's not suprising at all. I would suggest looking at the codes from the home state of the northern tyrant as well as the 1859 Oregon constitution for just two of many instances...

18 posted on 02/21/2005 4:50:22 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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Like DC2K, I learn a lot about Southern history on these threads. Unfortunately I have a hard time keeping my anger in check when it comes to blasphemous lies about my native soil & simply leave. Thanks vetvetdoug & billbears for the valuable info.


19 posted on 02/21/2005 5:16:19 PM PST by Magnolia (Pennies a day help keep Liberals at bay.....become a monthly donor!)
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Many thanks!


20 posted on 02/21/2005 5:36:59 PM PST by flying Elvis
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