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Y'all's sprawl. Linguists study the spread of a Southern term
Houston Chronicle/Columbia News Service ^ | Feb. 19, 2005 | MOISES VELASQUEZ-MANOFF

Posted on 02/20/2005 7:45:38 PM PST by bayourod

In a June appearance on NBC's Today Show, singer Marc Anthony made an unusual but, according to some linguists, not-so-surprising word choice.

When co-host Matt Lauer asked Anthony how he'd spend the upcoming weekend, Anthony said, "Y'all know I don't talk about my personal life."

A New York native of Puerto Rican descent using "y'all," a distinctly Southern term?

Linguists Guy Bailey and Jan Tillery would say Anthony is exhibit A in a national trend that is spreading the uses of "y'all" beyond the South. The two, who teach at the University of Texas at San Antonio, wrote an article in 2000 called The Nationalization of a Southernism, in the Journal of English Linguistics.

After conducting a national poll by telephone, the team concluded that the spread was dramatic and recent, most likely in the past 50 years as younger non-Southerners were significantly more likely to use "y'all" than older non-Southerners. Those regions bordering the South and Texas, like Kansas and New Mexico, were most likely to adopt it, as well as the Rocky Mountain region, which, they argued, had cultural similarities with the South.

As for why non-Southerners might use a markedly Southern term, the authors cite geographic mobility — Northerners moving to the South adopting it and Southerners moving to the North retaining it. But ultimately, the authors argue, it's a matter of addressing a "hole" in the English language.

Ever since English lost the second person singular "thou," it has relied on the pronoun "you" to act as both singular and plural. English speakers have improvised ways to avoid ambiguity in the plural: in the Northeast, "youse" or "youse guys"; around Pittsburgh "yunz" or "yinz," a contraction of "you-ones"; in the South, "y'all," a contraction — or "fusion" as Bailey and Tillery say — of "you-all"; and finally "you guys."

But "you guys" feels awkward to certain segments of the population, says Joan Houston Hall, chief editor of the Dictionary of American Regional English. A term that gained popularity in the 1960s, it still sounds inappropriately familiar to some elderly ears, she says, and some women are uncomfortable with the masculine gender implied by "guys." "Y'all" elegantly resolves all these concerns.

Others argue that "y'all" is spreading for a much simpler reason: Both culturally and numerically, the South is on the rise. But more important, "y'all" is standard in what linguists call African-American Vernacular English (AAVE), the lingua franca of rap and hip-hop.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: dialects; language; linguistics; south; yall
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To: bayourod
If you don't say "Y'all" what do you say?

I grew up in Southeast Missouri. Everyone there said "You all". No one ever said "Y'all" unless they were using a fake southern accent.

121 posted on 02/20/2005 9:04:44 PM PST by jamaly
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To: stainlessbanner
Another movie I just caught was Pharoh's Army (Kristofferson) - very sad, but a more accurate tale of Yanks stealing chickens off a southern farm. Based on a true story. Captures the sadness of the war.

Thanks my friend, I'll look for it. Now I'll just sit back and wait for some Lincoln worshipper to tell me that

  1. yankees didn't steal
  2. Lincoln emancipated the chickens
  3. Southen accents were to be punished by loss of chickens and livestock, homes and land
  4. the Union fought a war to free chickens
  5. the South seceded over chickens

122 posted on 02/20/2005 9:10:47 PM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler - "Accurately quoting Lincoln is a bannable offense.")
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

A professor at The University of Arkansas was giving a lecture of the

supernatural. To get a feel for his audience, he asks, "How many
people here believe in ghosts?"

About 90 students raise their hands. "Well, that's a good start. Out
of those of you who believe in ghosts, do any of you think you have seen
a ghost?"

About 40 students raise their hands. "That's really good. I'm really
glad you take this seriously. Has anyone here ever talked to a ghost?"

About 15 students raise their hand. "Has anyone here ever touched a
ghost?"

3 students raise their hands.

"That's fantastic. Now let me ask you one question further "Have any
of you ever made love to a ghost?"

Way in the back, Bubba raises his hand. The professor takes off his
glasses, and says "Son, all the years I've been giving this lecture,
no one has ever claimed to have made love to a ghost. You've got to
come up here and tell us about your experience."

The big redneck student replied with a nod and a grin, and began to
make his way up to the podium. When he reached the front of the room, the
professor asks, "So, Bubba, tell us what it's like to have sex with a
ghost?"

Bubba replied, "Shiiiit! From way back thar I thought you said
"Goats."


123 posted on 02/20/2005 9:11:56 PM PST by teldon30
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To: bayourod

"you".


124 posted on 02/20/2005 9:13:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: teldon30

Thanks for the laugh.


125 posted on 02/20/2005 9:18:54 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Love thy neighbor, but pick your neighborhood.)
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To: cyborg

"...when I'm angry it makes me feel a little more feisty."


It tends to do that, doesn't it. ;o)


126 posted on 02/20/2005 9:19:09 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: teldon30
My wife is filipino...she has a southern accent on top of a filipino accent ;)

Bless your heart . . . Maria is my best employee and became an American citizen 6mos. ago. It was a joy to help her study for the exam and quiz her on the Constitution, et al.

127 posted on 02/20/2005 9:20:27 PM PST by w_over_w (Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?)
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To: bourbon

Thank ya' kindly for the ping. ;o)


"ALL Y'ALL's BASE ARE BELONG TO US."


LOL!


128 posted on 02/20/2005 9:20:40 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: dixiechick2000

hehehehehehe ya'lls base!


129 posted on 02/20/2005 9:21:37 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

I think #4 is a little questionable, but I agree with the rest.


130 posted on 02/20/2005 9:21:49 PM PST by explodingspleen (http://mish-mash.info/)
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To: kaboom
Now what's with the "lipstick on a pig analogy"? I'm hearing it everywhere.

Nancy Pelosi has been big in the news of late.
131 posted on 02/20/2005 9:23:24 PM PST by NationSoConceived ("Truth bestows no pardon upon error, but wipes it out in the most effectual manner." - M.B.E.)
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To: annyokie; cyborg

"My auntie still say's you'uns and we'uns. That and them young'uns. ; )"


My grandaddy used to say that.
He also said His'n and Her'n.

We all said them young'uns.


132 posted on 02/20/2005 9:26:27 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: dixiechick2000

It's my goal to figure out the difference between having a hissy fit and pitching a fit.


133 posted on 02/20/2005 9:27:16 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg; bourbon

That bourbon is one funny guy. ;o)


134 posted on 02/20/2005 9:27:32 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

I'll amen that! There are plenty of actors from the South that have done well out here and can be cast for these parts. Still, they did do justice (visually) to the Petersburg campaign and Col. Henry Pleasants and the 48th Pennsylvania's attempt to tunnel under Ft. Stedman and blow it up.


136 posted on 02/20/2005 9:28:20 PM PST by w_over_w (Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?)
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To: cyborg

It's been my experience that kids pitch fits,
and women have hissy fits.

At least, that's how it was where I'm from.

I'm doing my part to spread the use of "y'all".
Next, I'm gonna start working on "fixin' to". ;o)


137 posted on 02/20/2005 9:30:32 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: dixiechick2000

My auntie who is an Arkie from Yellville still says His'n and Her'n. I find it charming. It makes me feel at home, ya'll.


138 posted on 02/20/2005 9:31:29 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: dixiechick2000

LOL!


139 posted on 02/20/2005 9:31:55 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Senator Pardek
No - but I did see Nolan Ryan pitch at Shea Stadium when I was a kid. Does that count?

Considering the considerable reputation and stature of Mr. Ryan, yes, that's good enough to make you a Semi-Honorary Texan. :-)

140 posted on 02/20/2005 9:32:24 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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