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Michigan Collects Hidden On-line Purchase Cigarette Taxes.
Channel 5, NBC, Saginaw, MI ^ | 2/19/05 | WNEM News Team

Posted on 02/20/2005 11:44:42 AM PST by tryon1ja

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1 posted on 02/20/2005 11:44:42 AM PST by tryon1ja
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My father smokes filterless Lucky Strikes. He told me that in Ohio, it is now illegal to have more than one carton of cigarettes from out of state due to smuggling.

I don't know if he explained this to me right, but that is nonsense.


2 posted on 02/20/2005 11:52:23 AM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
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To: tryon1ja

The states are worse than the Mafia. They claim they want to urge people to stop smoking by raising taxes on cigarettes but fact is they want money. Cigarette taxes is theft. Call it what you like ite outright legalised theft. If they taxed baby food the country would be up in arms. Maryland state has decided to tax my turds. Thats right I have a septic tank , some brilliant person decided that folks with City water and sewer were taxed on it, but rural folks were gettin away , so they decided to add a 4 cents per gallon fee on pumping out a septic tank. pretty soon they will tax my well and I dont doubt for a minute they will soon find a way to tax the air I breathe.


3 posted on 02/20/2005 11:55:38 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: tryon1ja

The Bigger question is.. How does the state know this.


4 posted on 02/20/2005 11:56:40 AM PST by quietolong
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How does the state know this?

I heard on the news that the state went out and asked the cigarette vendors to give them a list of the people who purchased on line from them. The vendors refused so the state got a court to issue a subpoena and forced them to hand over their records.
5 posted on 02/20/2005 12:04:06 PM PST by tryon1ja
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6 posted on 02/20/2005 12:06:00 PM PST by NW Mike (Proud member of the VRWC since 1972 -- who the hell are you calling 'neo'?)
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One thing I don't get - how does Michigan know that someone bought cigarettes online from Kentucky?
7 posted on 02/20/2005 12:10:42 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (Welcome home, Vietnam Vets.)
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One thing I don't get - how does Michigan know that someone bought cigarettes online from Kentucky?

It is very simple. Someone from the state treasury's office conducts a Google search for online cigarette sales. Gets a list of vendors and then contacts each vendor asking for their sales records of who they sold cigarettes to in the state of Michigan. The online vendors I checked used to say they did not report to tax authorities. However, many I have visited recently no long say they will not report if asked and now have a disclaimer that states "Buyer is responsible for all applicable taxes on merchandise sold". It is no longer a secret sale.


8 posted on 02/20/2005 12:16:43 PM PST by tryon1ja
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Whatever happened to LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS?
Next thing the states will come up with is a happiness quotient of some kind and figure out a tax for that.
Sorry no rebates for depression.
Once they get their money it NEVER comes back.
Like the interest free loan to the government in the form of witholding.
Shouldn't they pay interest on the money they have collected all year when it isn't due until April 15th?


9 posted on 02/20/2005 12:28:50 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: sgtbono2002

Ronald Reagan chimes in: "Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidise it."


10 posted on 02/20/2005 12:33:38 PM PST by avenir (Life becomes cheaper when the cost for taking it does.)
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But the venders are not in MI. How to enforce MI state law in another state.

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Not to far off?
Ordering a pizza

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11 posted on 02/20/2005 12:35:59 PM PST by quietolong
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Are there any Indian Reservations in Michigan where a person could go and purchase their cigarettes in person, for cash?

I live in Illinois but travel to Missouri often anyway and drive about 200 miles to the Missouri border where cigarettes are about $14.00 per carton cheaper.

When our idiot dem governor gets his newst cig tax proposal passed it will be about $22.00 per carton cheaper to get them there.


12 posted on 02/20/2005 12:45:15 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: quietolong
The Bigger question is.. How does the state know this.

15 USC 376

(a) Contents
Any person who sells or transfers for profit cigarettes in interstate commerce, whereby such cigarettes are shipped into a State taxing the sale or use of cigarettes, to other than a distributor licensed by or located in such State, or who advertises or offers cigarettes for such a sale or transfer and shipment, shall—

(1) first file with the tobacco tax administrator of the State into which such shipment is made or in which such advertisement or offer is disseminated a statement setting forth his name and trade name (if any), and the address of his principal place of business and of any other place of business; and
(2) not later than the 10th day of each calendar month, file with the tobacco tax administrator of the State into which such shipment is made, a memorandum or a copy of the invoice covering each and every shipment of cigarettes made during the previous calendar month into such State; the memorandum or invoice in each case to include the name and address of the person to whom the shipment was made, the brand, and the quantity thereof.
(b) Presumptive evidence
The fact that any person ships or delivers for shipment any cigarettes shall, if such shipment is into a State in which such person has filed a statement with the tobacco tax administrator under subsection (a)(1) of this section, be presumptive evidence
(1) that such cigarettes were sold, or transferred for profit, by such person, and
(2) that such sale or transfer was to other than a distributor licensed by or located in such State.

13 posted on 02/20/2005 1:20:57 PM PST by Sandy
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To: quietolong

It was said on the TV-5 news that the law that says vendors have to report sales to states is a federal law. Thatis all I know about it.


14 posted on 02/20/2005 1:21:36 PM PST by tryon1ja
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To: Graybeard58

The Soaring Eagle Casino is on the Chippewa Indian Reservation and is less than 10 miles from my house. I used to go there and purchase cheaper cigarettes. However, they have since made a deal with the state or locals??. If you are not a tribe member with a card to prove it, you pay the same price there as anywhere else in town. So, that doesn't work for me.


15 posted on 02/20/2005 1:25:18 PM PST by tryon1ja
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If I smoked cigarettes, I'd roll my own.

There is no excuse, none, nada, for the states to impose such taxes on smokers.


16 posted on 02/20/2005 1:30:57 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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If I smoked, I would do the same. But, it is not possible to ask the wife to do the same.


17 posted on 02/20/2005 1:47:57 PM PST by tryon1ja
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If you want a glimpse of what America would be like under Hillary, look at Michigan.

Gov. Granola is a flaming communist with Hillary ambitions and views.

Michigan has the nation's highest unemployment.

Young people are leaving by the thousands.

The commie governor tried to pass a state land use plan that read like soviet socialism.

Businesses are packing and leaving.

The people she's appointed to key positions are Marxists who hate free enterprise and individual liberties.

She's paying off crooked politicians in the big cities who elected her with tax money stolen from suburban and exurban regions.


18 posted on 02/20/2005 2:35:50 PM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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If people with lung cancer want to sue somebody, they should sue the states. They are profiting more than anybody on cigarette sales, including the tobacco companies.


19 posted on 02/20/2005 7:12:46 PM PST by virgil
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If people with lung cancer are too stupid to read the warning on the side of the pack , they shouldnt be allowed to sue anyone.


20 posted on 02/21/2005 12:28:37 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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