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A genius explains - [an autistic savant describes how he thinks]
Guardian (U.K.) ^ | February 12, 2005 | Richard Johnson

Posted on 02/19/2005 6:45:18 PM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: k2blader
Very very interesting. I wish I could do things like that too; although when it comes down to it, having far less "special ability" but enjoying a normal, "average-joe" life is much more preferable.

If you're ever tempted to make a pact with the Devil in order to be granted a perfect memory, first read A.R. Luria's The Mind of a Mnemonist. You might also want to read Jorge Luis Borges' short story, "Funes, the Memorius".

21 posted on 02/19/2005 7:11:15 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Eaker; Flyer
Actually, he isn't "calculating": there is nothing conscious about what he is doing. He arrives at the answer instantly. Since his epileptic fit, he has been able to see numbers as shapes, colours and textures. The number two, for instance, is a motion, and five is a clap of thunder. "When I multiply numbers together, I see two shapes. The image starts to change and evolve, and a third shape emerges. That's the answer"

This is the best description I've heard yet.

Targeting works like that.

22 posted on 02/19/2005 7:11:56 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: snarks_when_bored
Grothendieck suggested, “All right,take 57.”

I guess this is proof that I'm not a mad genius... I had to re-read this three times to get the joke.

23 posted on 02/19/2005 7:13:04 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: k2blader; snarks_when_bored
Correcting the spelling goof (the entire story is online at the link, BTW):

"Funes, the Memorious"

24 posted on 02/19/2005 7:16:08 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
This sounds like what is commonly called Asperger's

Asperger's Syndrome is a term used when a child or adult has some features of autism but may not have the full blown clinical picture. A few people with Asperger's syndrome are very successful and until recently were not diagnosed with anything but were seen as brilliant, eccentric, absent minded, socially inept, and a little awkward physically.

Although the criteria state no significant delay in the development of language milestones, what you might see is a "different" way of using language. A child may have a wonderful vocabulary and even demonstrate hyperlexia but not truly understand the nuances of language and have difficulty with language pragmatics. Social pragmatics also tend be weak, leading the person to appear to be walking to the beat of a "different drum". Motor dyspraxia can be reflected in a tendency to be clumsy.

There is a general impression that Asperger's syndrome carries with it superior intelligence and a tendency to become very interested in and preoccupied with a particular subject. Often this preoccupation leads to a specific career at which the adult is very successful. At younger ages, one might see the child being a bit more rigid and apprehensive about changes or about adhering to routines.

25 posted on 02/19/2005 7:16:43 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: snarks_when_bored
So can he solve the 3n+1 conundrum? That thing hit me like a curse when I first encountered it.
26 posted on 02/19/2005 7:18:00 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: snarks_when_bored
another quick thought: as the "savant" capability seems to be associated with a brain injury or similar incapacity, one is tempted to use as a model a computer where you disable most of the overhead functions in the OS that are normally needed for it to be a general purpose device. This leaves enormous processing power and I/O bandwidth and storage available for the ONE or TWO things that the savant excells at.

It's the opposite of multitasking -- these folks are programmed for one class of functions -- sort of like a CRAY super computer; as I understand it, the speed is derived in part from the fact they are set up as vector processors, and that's all they do.

27 posted on 02/19/2005 7:20:12 PM PST by longshadow
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To: xm177e2
I had to re-read this three times to get the joke.

At least you didn't have to read it, er, 19 times.

28 posted on 02/19/2005 7:20:23 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: humblegunner

I know a guy who has a truely photographic memory. You can open a book and show him a page for just a couple of seconds and he can recite the whole page word for word.

We used to go out an make money off the drunks in the bar by betting on the guy.


29 posted on 02/19/2005 7:20:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

"At least you didn't have to read it, er, 19 times."


Uhh I'll have to get back to you on that.


30 posted on 02/19/2005 7:21:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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To: xm177e2

Hey..If you really want to know take the test.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aqtest.html


31 posted on 02/19/2005 7:22:00 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Abcdefg

LOL


32 posted on 02/19/2005 7:22:35 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: inquest
So can he solve the 3n+1 conundrum? That thing hit me like a curse when I first encountered it.

I suspect Tammet has difficulty with abstract reasoning, so it's most unlikely that he could do much with the 3n+1 problem.

33 posted on 02/19/2005 7:24:51 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: longshadow

Agreed. It would be a tough way to live one's life.


34 posted on 02/19/2005 7:25:45 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Well, I had to try. It would have brought peace to my mind. ;-)
35 posted on 02/19/2005 7:31:21 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Earthdweller
Hey..If you really want to know take the test.

28 points (16.4 is average, 80% of autistic persons scored 32 or higher)

But it doesn't say what percentage of non-autistic persons received similarly high scores.

There is also the problem of bias when taking the test: I basically know which answers point to autism and which don't.

36 posted on 02/19/2005 7:34:02 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Earthdweller

Yeah, I don't have anywhere near the mathematical ability of a savant (I'm above average, but average is pathetic in this country). I'm just bad with people :-)


37 posted on 02/19/2005 7:35:15 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: snarks_when_bored
An insightful question: how many of Hilbert's 23 problems were solved by savants?

I think this goes to the heart of the issue of whether these people have exceptional mathematical talent, or are simply really good arithmetic calculation and memorization.

38 posted on 02/19/2005 7:40:22 PM PST by longshadow
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To: ironman73

Ping


39 posted on 02/19/2005 7:40:53 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: xm177e2

Me too. It sure "looked prime"!


40 posted on 02/19/2005 7:42:00 PM PST by NonLinear ("If not instantaneous, then extrordinarily fast" - Galileo re. speed of light. circa 1600)
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