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I still believe that democracy was the best replacement for Apartheid. No good can come to a country that doesn't respect its own citizens. A return to Apartheid would not be a step up, just a step. It would be like breaking your neighbor's foot because his wrist was broken.

"Property rights gone, justice gone, prosperity gone, peace gone, but hey, at least there is not Apartheid, just brewing Genocide."

This is the pessimistic view of SA, but not the current situation. Property rights are not "gone" (and we can argue whether or not the Apartheid state really respected property), nor is justice (unless a domestic bioterror program can exist in a just state), nor is peace (and after 20+ years of wars both 'hot' and 'proxy', was Apartheid SA at 'peace'?). If there is a 'brewing Genocide' then let's identify it and stop it (as was the case with the Apartheid government's bioterror policies mentioned above) instead of waiting for it to happen and then grimly and smugly harrumpf that everything would have been better if they stuck with Apartheid.

FReepers are smart people, but the SA discussions get stuck in doomsday predictions about Southern African and fuzzy memories about Apartheid 'law' and order.

Every South African I have spoken with hated Apartheid. The new government is a race based socialist order in democratic drag and it, like an old prostitute is beginning to show its rotten heart. The only hope for South Africa is the Christian Collation that is rising into power by the vote. They are a strong force for equality and stand against the corruption that has ruled in SA since the crushing of that Nation by the UN.

That same Christian force that was changing South Africa from an Apartheid State in the first place. Now they must root out rampant corruption, fight poverty, famine that is many times worse at the same time.

Why is it when leftists corrupt a State so bad its economy virtually collapses, gun ownership is squashed so crime takes over the street to protect the new leftist leaders in power, it is always considered better than simple political reform that leave law and order in the streets, people working safely at their jobs and property rights in place?

You haven't the slightest idea about what is going on in South Africa,so don't try to post as though you do.

Apartheid is gone,now replaced by a Tribal/Communist state;which is far worse,for everyone but those in the higher spheres of the ANC.