Posted on 02/19/2005 3:39:49 PM PST by Ramonan
Illegal immigration must stop, and it must stop at the U.S.-Mexico border. This is the opinion of a Mexican living in Mexico.
I understand people need jobs and have the right to look for a better life for their families, but we are overlooking the fundamental problem behind illegal immigration: the Mexican government and its inability to provide a decent life for its citizens.
In Mexico, politicians and elites have grown comfortable with the notion that they can get away with not working hard, not planning and not putting the people first because there's simply no accountability. They know that by exporting impoverished Mexicans, they won't have to face their discontent. And thanks to the billions that Pemex generates and the billions sent here from Mexicans working in the United States, they can keep the population stable enough to prevent social revolt.
The fact is, illegal immigration is hurting Mexico. While the $16 billion that Mexicans working in the United States sent home last year is good, it pales in comparison to the hundreds of billions of dollars that the Mexican economy could generate if politicians and elites would stop thinking about their pockets and work for change.
Mexican politicians need to feel social pressure to force them to change, and that's never going to happen until the border is closed so the Mexican government can face the music coming from the millions of hungry mouths of the people it has failed.
Close the border, ignore the rhetoric coming from the Mexican government and let us apply some pressure on our leaders. It's good for us, it's good for you and it's good for freedom, true freedom.
JESSE ALUXAN Playas de Tijuana Baja California, Mexico
It's not the job of the local police to enforce immigration rules. However, Californians for years have been begging the INS, now ICE, to clamp down on employers. You got it wrong again.
Now Mexico is behind Iraq and Afghanistan on actual free elections, freedoms, liberties, education, opportunities for it's citizens.
A huge scam by politians and the Mexican elitists dependent on keeping the Mexican citizens uneducated and at the mercy of their "Socialist" dictator masters.
Note all the "Socialist Paradises" have an ultra-wealthy small elite and the vast majority are kept down by the barrel of a gun.
Much the history and political legacy of the American democrat party.
Mexicans are in the same boat as Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, and Lebanon now.
President Fox had the answer:
A comic book on how to illegally sneak into the USA and then send him back their illegal earnings.
Let's just close the damn borders and let the chips fall where they may. I could care less what the effects are on corrupt Mexico. I am tired of my country being over run with people who have no business being here.
Most illegals have social security taxes deducted from their paychecks but they never collect it. Their payments into the Social Security system go to U.S. citizens.
The only federal requirement is that hospital; emergenct rooms that participate in Medicare must stabilize any person brought to tthem. After that, satate and local governments have added their own requirements.
The reason local government require hospitals to treat illegals is because there are local people who get paid to treat them. This includes the doctors, nurses, hospital staff, pharmacies, and evertone else in the medical community. The government taxes one group and gives the money to another group. The group that gets the money is the group that wants the tax. The illegals have nothing to do with the process.
Schools? Very few parents pay as much in school taxes as it cost to educate their children. The vast majority of taxes are paid by the very wealthy and corporations. Without employees we wouldn't have employers paying those taxes, nor would we have the very wealthy who own the companies.
Productive laborers are never a burden on society, they are the foundation of it.
Property taxes are paid on all property or else the government takes the property away. Whether you own a house or rent a room, someone is paying the government for that space.
I'd vote for it.
But you would if you really considered illegal immigration a problem. You chase bank robbers and kidnappers don't you?
"But", they aren't. Ask you parents about something called a "multiplier effect".
I was originally going to start off with "you are SO full of cra*!". But you seem to have an honestly held opinion so I'll just try to point out why you are so wrong:
We passed 'English Only' and had it squelched.
We, the ones posting here, vote consistently for anything that sounds like it'd slow criminal immigration, primarily from mexico.
We, the ones posting here, are in general outnumbered by california's famed socialist majority.
Criminal mexicans send Billions each year back to mexico, they don't spend it here, and the mexican government (sic) is so reliant on that income that they REPORT it and they encourage it.
(If anyone in the USA 'needs' criminal immigration it is the Banks who now brag about how easy they make it to send money "home'.)
We have police & public safety agencies who are afraid to arrest minorities of any kind lest they be mobbed, jailed, or at the least made to spend years defending themselves in court.
We have one of the most liberal Republican governors in the states - and thank God daily for that slight improvement!We have neighbors to the east (my home of record) who are in jail and/or being hounded for attempting to do something about immigration that just happens to use the US Intelligence Center and School as one of its main avenues for entry.
As to wages; the absence of ILLEGAL immigrants, willing to undercut salaries because they'd be starving back home) would force improvements in a dozen industries...so 'Americans not willing to do the work' would no longer apply.
The minimal taxes paid by ILLEGALS are far outweighed by the welfare and other social costs of supporting their families and/or their need/penchant for using taxpayer supported services instead of paying for it themselves.
I've personally had to pay (via insurance and cash) for two accidents caused by uninsured aliens who could not be traced by their state issued identification...one of whom was supposed to be living in a halfway house (but wasn't).
At root, immigration is a federal duty but a local concern...until the suburbs of Washington DC are overrun by spanish speaking thugs nothing will happen unless conservative voters can make their voices heard.
And I don't count on much happening to improve matters so long as we have a president, much as I support and respect him, who owes his political career to his ability to gather sufficient Mex-Tex votes to be a force in the Texas valley.
That's true. And every group had to face the same type opposition that Mexicans face today.
It used to be sociably acceptable for businesses to have signs reading: "No dogs or Irishmen allowed." At one time people complained about Italians ruining our neighborhoods or Poles destroying our culture or Jews threatening our sovereignty.
Today it just happens to be Mexicans..
That is not a fact of life, it is merely your opinion. I'm sure the great majority of Californians would like to have all illegal immigration stopped. Futhermore, in spite of lefty fantasies to the contrary, we could get along just fine without any illegal immigrants. And you can't "bust" employers until you give them the means to verify job applicants' right to work.
The sales tax they pay is negligible because most of them pool their money and buy food and live in groups in the same houses.
They take up medical resoures and are causing some hospitals to close in southern California. Californis conservatives can't do anything about it except try to vote for people that will do something about it, in other words conservative candidates. Guess what? We are outnumbered by the liberals such as yourself and they keep voting idiots into office that keep letting illegals come into the country.
All of your arguments are centered on "we need illegals to work here." This has been proven to be false. When we stopped the bracero program back in the sixties Americans jumped in and took the jobs. But then of course the government failed to stop the illegals and the farmers and others who hire cheap labor kept right on trucking and and knocked the Americans, citizens and legal immigrants alike, out of the jobs again.
Our economy suffers because of this practice, mexico suffers because they won't provide a decent economy for their citizens. It can be fixed. Not easily but it can be fixed. People like you with their heads firmly up their butts are a large part of the problem. We need to ignore all of you and do what we need to do. Close the borders.
One last thing. It isn't just about illegal workers, it is about terrorists coming through. We don't know how many are coming through and need to shut down the borders to stop them . Of course you probably think we need terrorists here and as long as we need them we will get them, right?
That's not President Bush's fault. If the people of California don't want immigration laws enforced against employers there is very little that the federal government can do.
It's not my business to give California conservatives advice, but I have noticed over the years that it's chic among them to boast about caring more about principles than winning elections. If y'all had compromised a little and won enough elections you wouldn't need all those referendum to skirt your elected officials.
When Bush first ran for governor of Texas there were no state Republican officials. When he and Rove left for Washington every single state elected official was Republican. But then some posters from California consider Bush a liberal traitor and would be jubilant to have seen Kerry win.
Haven't you read my posts? That is exactly what I said.
I pointed out that President Bush has authorized state and local law enforcement agencies to enforce immigration laws and the CBP has an eight week training course to train local police.
Why don't you work to get the police in your community to bust the employers of illegals in your community, then "there would be no illegals coming into" your community.
Then you should have no problem supporting President Bush's guest worker legislation that would provide for legal immigrant laborers.
Give them a warning ticket instead of busting them the first time. Come back the next day and if the illegals are still working there, they have no defense.
The objective is to end the demand for illegals, not put a bunch of employers in prison, so if a warning ticket works the objective has been accomplished without the expense of a trial.
I have been thinking this for years.
The people who come here illegally are mainly young men --- the kind of people who make a revolution.
Urging them to go north is a safety val;ve and the Mexican politicians know it.
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