Posted on 02/19/2005 9:06:21 AM PST by Willie Green
The Sovremenny class is good as long as it is able to shoot off it's missiles in a first strike-it's useless if that's not the case.China is currently building or buying ships which are far better than it's existing Sovremennys.
Shipbuilding is an industry that has always been dominated by emerging economies, both in Europe and Asia. It consumes a lot of raw materials and creates a lot of jobs. What's new here? I don't think there is anything to be concerned about and there is nothing we can do about it anyway. Eventually China's economy will expand to the point where shipbuilding will not longer be profitable. Then perhaps, Brazil will discover new market opportunities. Maybe, eventually, it will even come back to the US who at one time led the world in shipbuilding. Its just part of the cycle.
With a population five times that of the United States, this is a game we cannot win with an economicly sound China. I and others have tried to piont that out for a decade or more, but it was to no avail.
Even if China only sparks 50% of it's population's enterprise spirit, that will wind up with it having 750 million people involved. Our economy will will be lucky to see 175 million people involved.
Helping to finance China's revival, jump start it's production capabilities and transfer our technology to them across the board, was the single most suicidal act of any nation at any time in all of recorded history.
more bad news from asia.
You're unconcerned that our National Defense industries are selling military technology to the Chinese?
I agree wholeheartedly ... gotta run now, heading to Wal-Mart to buy some cheap stuff!
I agree. But why do we need to win? Did the rise of the US hurt Great Britain?
Helping to finance China's revival, jump start it's production capabilities and transfer our technology to them across the board, was the single most suicidal act of any nation at any time in all of recorded history.
I completely disagree. China actually greatly limited the pernicious effects of our most recent recession.
China will only become economically sound, and pass the US in economic power, by further freeing up its economy. I believe that will happen because the culture of China is changing dramatically, and there's very little the Chinese leaders can do about it, so they are being forced to change. An economically free and prosperous China that is rapidly becoming Christianized will be a phenomenal boost to America in the coming decades.
Oh get outa here... heh heh heh.
LOL. Exactly.
I don't think $650 billion dollars in money spent overseas and not in the U.S., was a boon for our economy. With the multiplier effect, we're talking about between $3 and $5 trillion dollars in lost economic activity in the U.S.
I'm not really concerned. There is still a global arms sales ban against China. I doubt we are selling anything that is really militarily significant unless our government has totally abrogated its responsibilities with regards to laws about technology transfers and foreign military sales. In my mind, that would be the national security issue.
If that's how it works, why not ban all trade with foreigners? Then all those trillions will be spent right here in the US, right?
Oh good grief...
a free trader who thinks this is about "Christianizing" China...
Whata buncha bologna.
We're talking about China, a nation that charges 40% tariffs on our products moving across it's ports, which purchases roughly 10% the volume of goods from us, that we purchase from it. We only charge a few percent of tariffs on it's merchandise.
This is neither balanced or reasoned.
The EU is intent on lifting it's arms embargo(& this includes Britain) on the PRC & it will probably be done this year-that will change equations significantly.For one,they produce high-quality systems on par with American systems,which rarely get publicity due to lack of exports & lack of support from their own militaries. Moreoever,the integration of European electronics onto Russian or Chinese weaponry will make those systems far more potent as well.
I don't think that's what free trade about, nor did I say that. I'm just pointing out what is happening in China right now.
Not only is their past 25-year economic boom literally unprecedented in world history, but the spread of Christianity there is unlike anything seen since the Roman Empire in the 2nd Century.
I don't think that is the intent of capitalists wanting to trade with China, but it is something that has happened. I don't think it's a coincidence either.
I solicit your opinion regarding ways to counter the threat other than a pure surface engagement.
We are a republic NO MORE...
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams (1814)
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