[cyborg]

Thanks for posting that but it leaves me especially unnerved and unconvinced.

[libertarianben]

Thanks for posting that but it leaves me especially unnerved and unconvinced.

Unconvinced of what, may I ask?

Here's some quotes by Lincoln I think people might find interesting:

"Any People anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing governement and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." Speech by Lincoln in Congrees January 1848.

Here's the punch line:

"No state, upon its own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union. Plainly, the central idea of sucession, is the essence of anarchy." Lincoln speech made some time later.

I believe this known as a flip-flop.

How does he explain that other states thought of leaving the union long before the "Civil War?" Mass. for example.