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Bush rejects moves to boost EU military might
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/19/05 | Alec Russell

Posted on 02/18/2005 5:28:44 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 02/18/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Pokey78
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An EU Military Unit? EWWWWW!


2 posted on 02/18/2005 5:31:18 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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Since the US spends more on defense than the rest of NATO combined, why would the EU want to have its own defense force? They can't even meet their troop commitments to NATO. Moreover, their expenditures on defense as a percentage of GDP is going down every year as they become more and more squeezed by social welfare costs and a declining population. More French grand delusions.


3 posted on 02/18/2005 5:32:13 PM PST by kabar
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A European Superpower is unlikely to spawn from the EU, but the process can harm our interests.
4 posted on 02/18/2005 5:32:32 PM PST by sanchez810
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"He implicitly acknowledged that the time for the unilateralism of his first term was over."

I'm sure President Bush said he acted unilaterally. Gggrrrrr!
5 posted on 02/18/2005 5:36:05 PM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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What a ridiculous headline. Bush did nothing of the sort - he criticized a thoroughly ill-timed comment by Schroeder concerning NATO's continuing relevance.


6 posted on 02/18/2005 5:36:38 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: kabar

They are delusion but they are trying nonetheless. A key part is already materializing, i.e. a European defense industry with its holders in Old Europe. EADS has already expressed it's intention to acquire Thales. This will break its partnership with the British firm BAE and conjointly with the lifting of the EU arms embargo on China, which they are hoping will prompt the U.S. to sever its links with Atlantist defence industry, will isolate BAE as a an American only company.


7 posted on 02/18/2005 5:41:17 PM PST by sanchez810
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This delusion will end when the EU realizes that true military power requires things like troops, weapons, and $$.


8 posted on 02/18/2005 5:50:21 PM PST by rbg81
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The EU has already taken over the NATO mission in Bosnia (formerly known as SFOR). Of course, they are too new to do it alone. There is still roughly battalion-sized element of US specialists and advisors to help them make it work.


9 posted on 02/18/2005 5:56:57 PM PST by No Longer Free State
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The good news is that with Europe's commitment to its social systems they just won't have the money to compete. This is a continent that has lived under the umbrella of American security for over 50 years (which has helped afford them the very social lifestyle they've adopted)...and they still can't manage their economies.

This is revolution in the making as Lefty Europe won't stand by as politicians spend "their" money on bombs rather than bread...which is already in short supply. Something's gotta give.


10 posted on 02/18/2005 6:00:19 PM PST by cwb
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Intellectuals in Britain, Germany and France have been implying since the September Attack that sooner or later, our USA will fall due to our support of Israel. ...seen that in spiteful messages since the day after "9/11." That's why they are obsessed with Israeli and American political matters.
11 posted on 02/18/2005 6:00:49 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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"Intellectuals in Britain, Germany and France have been implying since the September Attack that sooner or later, our USA will fall due to our support of Israel. ...seen that in spiteful messages since the day after "9/11." That's why they are obsessed with Israeli and American political matters."

Do you really think when it is all said and done that it comes down to that (Israel)in Europe also? Wow


12 posted on 02/18/2005 6:08:14 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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That goes to the heart of the problem. If the E.U. achieves some sort of unity in Foreign Policy it will certainly lack the capacity to project power ,and therefore enforce its policy, because of social spending. Yet, It's is well on its way to have a truly European Defense Industry with the conglomeration of national defense companies into EADS. If this succeeds, which I'm sure it will, the eurocrats will have more leverage in world politics.
13 posted on 02/18/2005 7:04:56 PM PST by sanchez810
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And when the weenies realize that letting people retire @ 50 and get 80% of their pre-retirement income costs a lot of $$...


14 posted on 02/18/2005 7:06:32 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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All of this is garbage. Bush shouldn't be pandering to these bozo's. He shouldn't be defiant or confrontational either. He should simply and calmly talk down to them like the little children they are. They need us more than we need them.


15 posted on 02/18/2005 7:09:25 PM PST by plain talk
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The gauntlet has been thrown down, if the EU ignores us, the real game begins. You are with us or with the terrorist's, we shall soon find out.


16 posted on 02/18/2005 7:16:22 PM PST by John Lenin (If I was a mod there would be no trolls)
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LOL. Get real!


17 posted on 02/18/2005 7:48:28 PM PST by Tommyjo
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After the Marshall Plan and all the help against the Soviets you don't think we are going to take France/Germany/Britain arming up against us lightly, do you ?

Get real.
18 posted on 02/18/2005 7:52:26 PM PST by John Lenin (Communism will have to be defeated again, it just won't go away)
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To: kabar
why would the EU want to have its own defense force? They can't even meet their troop commitments to NATO.

Wouldn't be too far down the road that they'd undoubtedly be demanding the U.S., as the world's largest superpower, pay for any funding of a competing superpower wannabe.

19 posted on 02/18/2005 7:57:57 PM PST by shezza
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Get real they are not arming up against the US.


20 posted on 02/18/2005 8:02:45 PM PST by Tommyjo
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