[gunsgodandglory]

Jail for speeding? No. That's insane. Jail for vehicular homicide? Sure, fine with me. That's just common sense.

[muawiyah]

Look, there are people here who don't like FINES for speeding either. I'm simply suggesting we can find all our psychological needs satisfied by simply abolishing the fines and tossing the offenders in jail where they belong.

Now, what is it, fines or jail ~ there's no third choice!