Posted on 02/18/2005 9:45:18 AM PST by cyberdasher
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Studies looking at the oceans and melting Arctic ice leave no room for doubt that it is getting warmer, people are to blame, and the weather is going to suffer, climate experts have said.
New computer models that look at ocean temperatures instead of the atmosphere show the clearest signal yet that global warming is well under way, Tim Barnett of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography said.
. . . Barnett said climate models based on air temperatures are weak because most of the evidence for global warming is not even there.
"The real place to look is in the ocean," Barnett told a news conference.. . . . .
"The debate over whether or not there is a global warming signal is now over, at least for rational people," he said.
The report was published one day after the United Nations Kyoto Protocol took effect, a 141-nation environmental pact the United States government has spurned for several reasons, including stated doubts about whether global warming is occurring and is caused by people.
Barnett urged U.S. officials to reconsider.
"Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said.
. . . . . . .
Ruth Curry of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution found that melting ice was changing the water cycle, which in turn affects ocean currents and, ultimately, climate.
"As the Earth warms, its water cycle is changing, being pushed out of kilter," she said.
"Ice is in decline everywhere on the planet."
A circulation system called the Ocean Conveyer Belt is in danger of shutting down, she said.
The last time that happened, northern Europe suffered extremely cold winters.
She said the changes were already causing droughts in the U.S. west.
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All this can be offset by uclear winter...
You know they're lying when they pull this one.
"Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said.
What an IDIOT.
Check this out:
Scientists Back Superstorm Film
Despite government pressure on NASA not to support the scenario in The Day After Tomorrow, scientists are backing the science behind the film. The part of the film most of them object to has to do with the compression of events that they think will happen gradually. Marine physicist Tim Barnett says, "What happens will frankly be worse than what they show, in the long run. Our lives and all our systems will get stretched and stretched and pushed and pushed. The conflicts that will come up will be remarkable."
Same guy?
Ask Mr Barnett if the climate of the earth over the past 50 million years has remained the same? He may surprise even himself with the answer...but then he might decline to even answer that question.
Good find!
This guy has no credibility
Ohhhh. So, the Global WarmingTM effect of CO2 now magically bypasses the atmosphere, warming only the oceans! Nifty trick, that.
Garbage in, garbage out. ~yawn~
A new study in the Journal of Climate (February 1999) throws doubt on the validity of these types of studies. According to the author Tim Barnett, of the Climate Research Division, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California, modelers "have taken their estimates of natural variability from long control runs of CGCMs. This would be a valid procedure if the internally generated variability in the models was a realistic estimate of natural variability. Whether this is true or not is at the moment uncertain."(emphasis added)
That was in 1999. I wonder what changed that he now believes his models are realistic estimates of natural variability? Does he honestly believe he has every possible factor taken into account?
Their new "evidence" is new computer models! "I programmed the computer to say the world is getting warmer and that it's our fault, and by gum it did it!"
Ping and request for subject matter expertise. Is it possible to take a look at these climate modeling programs? Or are we being asked to, "trust Microsoft", so to speak?
He implies that we humans are responsible for this change, such as it is? Then what about all the glacier cycles that occurred before the emergence of humans?
Kyoto good, US bad.
And all that molten magma under our thin crust, and the superplumes of hotter magma that rise to the crust, have nothing to do with surface temps. Nor does solar activity. Or oceanic activity.
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