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Trans Texas Corridor: Visionary concept or a train wreck for agriculture?
Texas Agriculture ^ | February 18 , 2005 | Lana Robinson

Posted on 02/18/2005 9:27:41 AM PST by Paleo Conservative

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Trans Texas Corridor:

Visionary concept or a
train wreck for agriculture?
It depends on who you ask!

1 posted on 02/18/2005 9:27:48 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative; Diddle E. Squat; deport; maui_hawaii; Ben Ficklin; zeugma; MeekOneGOP; ...
Pro TTC Ping!

This is a pro Trans-Texas Corridor ping list.

Please let me know by Freepmail if you want on or off the list.

2 posted on 02/18/2005 9:29:44 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative


A map of possible alternatives for TTC-35.


3 posted on 02/18/2005 9:30:42 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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Here are some links various Freepers have posted on other Trans Texas Corridor (TTC) threads on Free Republic



Paleo Conservative


Free Republic search on keyword "TTC"

Interview (Audio) NPR | February 8, 2005 A Superhighway for Texas?



Diddle E. Squat


Here's the website with more info and explanation:

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/

Here's a list of meetings where you can ask questions(and I encourage everyone who can to attend and ask questions)

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/pdfs/TTC-35_Public_Meetings.pdf

Here's a link to the map of the TTC-35 corridor alternatives, which are approximately 10 miles wide study areas (the actual selected single corridor will be at most 1/4 mile wide):

http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/pdfs/TTC-35_Alternatives_Map.pdf



Ben Ficklin

The Oklahoma Extension

La Entrada al Pacifico

1990-2000 Population Growth of Border Metro Areas

Bidders for TTC contract

NHS High Priority Corridors



maui_hawaii

Port of Houston teams up with Panama to draw a piece of Asia's massive trade away from West Coast

4 posted on 02/18/2005 9:31:26 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Is it a visionary plan for Texas' exploding population and highway congestion, or a train wreck for agriculture?

Neither -it's a Texas size cluster f...!

People don't seem to realize they are talking about wiping out entire cities, and in some cases COUNTIES that are full of historical sites as well as agricultural land under PRIVATE ownership!

The Spainish company that owns this (Citra?) has already screwed over Canada...when will we finally tell our politicians that enough is ENOUGH?

5 posted on 02/18/2005 9:33:09 AM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Could you please direct me to the company that is paying for your to astroturf? I am interested in a little extra money and this seams like an easy way to do it.


6 posted on 02/18/2005 9:42:55 AM PST by FactsMatter (:))
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To: MamaTexan
I agree with you, MamaTexan.

(BTW, I live in Dallas, not Trinity as some have inferred from my nick.)
7 posted on 02/18/2005 9:44:57 AM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: MamaTexan

That doesn't matter. All that matters is that those in Austion who are pushing this bill will get very high paying jobs from the companies involved in it when they leave public service.

Toll roads, property taxes, and thinking about indexing the gas tax. What happend to republicans being the party of limited government? And yes, I am from Texas.


8 posted on 02/18/2005 9:45:08 AM PST by FactsMatter (:))
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To: MamaTexan
People don't seem to realize they are talking about wiping out entire cities, and in some cases COUNTIES

Name one city that is being wiped out (much less a county). More facts and less hyperbole might lead to a more convincing argument.

9 posted on 02/18/2005 9:49:39 AM PST by PAR35
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To: FactsMatter
What happend to republicans being the party of limited government?

Most of the folks calling themselves Texas Republicans used to be Texas Democrats. Their views really haven't changed (in fact, many of them said when they switched 'I didn't leave the Democratic party, it left me.')

10 posted on 02/18/2005 9:52:10 AM PST by PAR35
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To: MamaTexan

Neither -it's a Texas size cluster f...!



A good Texas size cluster f...! is needed once in a while....

Whole cities and counties wiped out.... must be some cluster f...! I'll stand on the side and watch Texas cluster f...!.... Can we sell tickets?


11 posted on 02/18/2005 10:03:00 AM PST by deport (It maybe that your sole purpose in life is to serve as an example to others.)
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To: MamaTexan
People don't seem to realize they are talking about wiping out entire cities, and in some cases COUNTIES that are full of historical sites as well as agricultural land under PRIVATE ownership!

Please specify which 'entire cities' and 'counties' that will be 'wiped out'.

Because that is a bold-face lie. If you are against it, fine, state the reasons and stick to the facts. If your position is correct, why must you resort to lies and ridiculous hyperbole?

12 posted on 02/18/2005 10:32:54 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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Name one city that is being wiped out (much less a county).

Easy! The town of Bastrop, Bastrop County, located in Southeastern part of Central Texas. Towns like Marion, Cibolo Geronimo, Zorn and Staples sit in the triangle between I-35 and I-10, along with the town of McQueeny and Lake McQueeny .

The land between the two interstates will be gone as they come together in the southern part of the state.

Look at the TTC page... there are a LOT of small towns and counties under those purty blue and yellow lines.

What exactly are we going to be transporting?

Manufacturing is still very weak. The companies that moved from the US to Mexico are starting to head out for places with cheaper labor, like China.

IMO, The "Free" trade agreement has less to do with making transportation faster/cheaper/better than it does to ERASE what's left of our borders.

More facts and less hyperbole might lead to a more convincing argument.

My *facts* are fine, Hon!

How's yours?

13 posted on 02/18/2005 10:36:01 AM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I'm not trying to lie, I only want to make sure the people want this and it's not just being forced on us by the government!

Oh. Please see post #13.

14 posted on 02/18/2005 10:39:03 AM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I'm not trying to lie, I only want to make sure the people want this and it's not just being forced on us by the government!

Oh. Please see post #13.

15 posted on 02/18/2005 10:39:22 AM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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To: Trinity_Tx; FactsMatter
Thank you!

I've got a veery bad feelin' about this beast.

16 posted on 02/18/2005 10:42:57 AM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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To: deport
Can we sell tickets?

Depends...

do I get a cut?

:)

17 posted on 02/18/2005 10:44:48 AM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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Don't for get this site: www.corridorwatch.com
18 posted on 02/18/2005 10:55:21 AM PST by ricer1
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To: MamaTexan

Sorry, but that is false. The first TTC corridor, the one parallel to I-35, is only considering these corridors in this map: http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/pdfs/TTC-35_Alternatives_Map.pdf

None of the 4 come within 10 miles of Bastrop. And there have been subsequent statements that the portion of the TTC that bypasses Austin will use the Hwy 130 tollway that is already under construction, which will pass a few miles east of the Austin airport, which is about 15 miles west of Bastrop. The corridor is at most going to be 800-1000 feet wide(as TXDOT has studied the concept they've narrowed down from 1200' the ROW width potentially needed. Bastrop and all the other towns you named are all wider than that, and no roads will go through them, because it would cost more to take residences and businesses than to build through undeveloped rural land. That's the whole point of this concept, to save money and minimize relocations by building where people are not. Do you realize that to add the same capacity to existing roads would require taking by eminent domain land from far more owners and residents that front the urban roads?

As to the other cities you named, even after buildout (if that happens) all might be with 1-20 miles of 2 corridors, but none would be 'wiped out'. Before I go further, do you understand that those wide colored lines on the map are only 10-mile wide study areas of options, not the actual land that would be taken, and that only 1 of those routes would be chosen, in which just a single 800-1000' wide route would be required?

And why on earth would miles and miles of land between to roads be 'gone' after the roads were built? These roads are spraying nuclear radiation for miles and miles.


19 posted on 02/18/2005 10:57:12 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Paleo Conservative
It is simply a development by people who have time and money to waste on projects they must self-entertain in order to keep themselves up with the appearances associated with the grand planning as is their want ...

In other words, they do not really work for a living nor do they understand the concept of limited government.

My sympathies with producers of anything, not made in this country, but the multitude of lies echoed back and forth between "business professionals" are bubbles waiting to burst.

The Bush Administration is subsidizing foreign profiteers, and there are trillions of dollars involved, the name of "foreign investment," that providing in the U.S., junk.

The isles at the stores, are full of junk produce.

The oranges are bad.

The avocados are bad.

The lettuce is bad.

The tomatoes are bad.

If you think that it costs less to buy oranges from Chile, than from Florida, you are mistaken.

The costs of doing business, that is hurting production in America, are government-imposed costs --- taxes.

The U.S. government taxes production. The State and local governments, have followed suit.

Here and there, there is some rebellion, but the business assumptions are as phony as whatever the last tech bubble was, that burst.

Kind of like the business assumptions that led to massive spending of the public's money, on the cities' infrastructures, for a hockey league (mostly government-subsidized), that no longer exists except on paper.

20 posted on 02/18/2005 11:03:51 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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