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A Way to Save Terri Schiavo
wotan
| Feb 18, 2005
| wotan
Posted on 02/18/2005 6:25:20 AM PST by wotan
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To: Ohioan from Florida
How long have you been watching Terri's case so intensely? Only for the last month or so. I was very concerned back in 2003, but I thought Jeb had solved that. Instinct took over...
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:04:00 PM PST
by
bjs1779
("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
To: RadioActive2
Your source of information?
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:04:45 PM PST
by
ArmyTeach
(Pray daily for our troops.)
To: wotan
excellent idea! Write him
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:04:55 PM PST
by
dzzrtrock
("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
To: ArmyTeach
They ain't got nothing.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:06:45 PM PST
by
bjs1779
("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
To: Melas
Must be why her original doctors said she had full change of recovery. Who's the lamebrain here?
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:09:31 PM PST
by
pc93
To: wotan
As another alternative, how about playing the role of Olivia/Portia(*) if/when the feeding tube is removed and having some state officials ensure that proper bona fide efforts are made to give Terri food and water orally? If such efforts have any measure whatsoever of success, any basis for tying to kill Terri vanishes. If the evidence gained by such efforts is called into question, Jeb Bush could claim a necessity defense--Judge Greer's statements that his intention was to kill Terri Schiavo would indicate that intervention was necessary to save her life. In addition, I think one could seek a ruling even beyond that indicating that the order to remove the feeding tube voids the order against oral food and hydration, on the basis that it is illegal to cause death by withholding oral food and hydration.
(*)I hope my Shakespeare reference is right here
The situation would be roughly analagous to having an order forbidding a patient from receiving anything other than Ensure® brand food (not illegal, in and of itself) and simultaneously imposing an order forbidding the administration of Ensure® brand food (also not illegal, in and of itself). The two orders individually would be valid, but could not both be valid simultaneously.
That having been said, I would think it might be better for Bush to forego the niceties of formally voiding Greer's oral-feeding order and simply disregard it. If he hired someone good to attempt the oral feeding, the risks should be minimal; what's important is to ensure that Michael can't attempt unsupervised "oral feeding" himself.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:09:47 PM PST
by
supercat
(Better to have egg on one's face than blood on one's hands.)
To: Melas
With all due respect, I'd have to guess that you've never seen the videos of her, have you? There's somebody in there. If she'd been given therapy early on there'd probably be a LOT MORE of her in there. Her husband is a dog.
47
posted on
02/18/2005 7:11:59 PM PST
by
dzzrtrock
("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
To: pc93
full chance.. basically that she could be expected to gain a full recovery.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:12:17 PM PST
by
pc93
To: Melas
Let me guess your source...ummm...how about the 2nd DCA ruling back in 2001?
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:14:56 PM PST
by
Ohioan from Florida
(The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
To: wotan
Another tactic: if she's "dead" already (in the husband's opinion), sue for wrongful death and put the would be murderers on the defensive.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:16:16 PM PST
by
SaltyJoe
("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child. "Fetus" means "young one".)
To: Melas
I have a hunch if that if every post about Terri included the fact that she's been decerebrated, that this wouldn't even be an issue. Did it ever occur to you that the scans that have been shown publicly might have been deliberately sandbagged?
Doctors hired by Michael claim Terri is permanently vegetative. Doctors not hired my Michael, including those offering free unpaid opinions, say that the behavior exhibited on the videos is absolutely and completely inconsistent with Florida's definition of PVS. Some such doctors have also stated that patients in Terri's condition tend to improve if, and only if, they are given a level of care which Michael has deliberately denied Terri.
Suppose I find a painting which I claim to be a Rembrandt. I publish a snapshot of the painting, which looks an awful lot like Boeing's 777, complete with the new color scheme. I hire three experts, who all examine the painting and claim it's a genuine Rambrandt. Two other experts who examine the painting and a dozen others who examine the photograph but aren't allowed to see the painting denounce it as a fake.
Who should you believe--the experts who claim the painting is genuine (of those who examined it, the vote is 3-2 in favor of its veracity) or those proclaiming it an obvious fake (bearing in mond that most of them only saw the photograph)?
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:16:52 PM PST
by
supercat
(Better to have egg on one's face than blood on one's hands.)
To: Ohioan from Florida; bjs1779
After listening to that neurosurgeon - I believe that removing Terri's tube would be murder.
He went over her record and explained it so well - and he did examine her in person.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:43:30 PM PST
by
LADY J
To: LADY J
Bless you for just understanding. That is a lot to ask for these days!
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:46:33 PM PST
by
bjs1779
("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
To: Melas
Mr. Felos,
Would you please stop posting these threads. It is
evident what you are trying to accomplish and - IT WON'T
WORK!
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:47:11 PM PST
by
AnimalLover
((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
To: wotan
Great idea - how do we get it across to the Governor? If
he says the state can't afford to keep her we could always
take up a collection. Probably would collect enough to
keep Terri plus a multitude of others!
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:48:44 PM PST
by
AnimalLover
((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
To: Melas
Unless an act of God, a true miracle, were to recreate her brain, Theresa will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others to feed her and care for her most private needs (emphasis added). Most normal people she a person in this Video Why don't you?
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:49:54 PM PST
by
bjs1779
("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
To: bjs1779
"Bless you for just understanding. That is a lot to ask for these days!"
It is heartbreaking to read about what they have done to Terri and how much neglect she has suffered through!
We are her only hope.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:50:46 PM PST
by
LADY J
To: LADY J
Why Judge Greer cannot understand what you understand is beyond me. The guy is either evil or incompetent or both.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:52:10 PM PST
by
Ohioan from Florida
(The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
To: Ohioan from Florida
"Why Judge Greer cannot understand what you understand is beyond me. The guy is either evil or incompetent or both."
Judge Greer has an agenda. He has never seen Terri in person from what I understand.
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posted on
02/18/2005 7:55:52 PM PST
by
LADY J
To: LADY J
Yes, his agenda is to kill Terri. No, he has not seen her in person. He has no interest in doing that. He might change his mind if he saw how alive she really is. He doesn't want to change his mind, and he doesn't want anyone finding out that he has let Michael get away with neglect of a disabled person among other things.
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posted on
02/18/2005 8:02:47 PM PST
by
Ohioan from Florida
(The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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