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To: pissant
False as a matter of intellectual history about the 60s and the New Deal era. The left did not have better ideas then. They had already lost the real intellectual debate, at the peaks of the culture. They just didn't know it yet, and the shallow pseudo intellectuals among them, who only believe ideas they are told to believe in and cannot examine real arguments on two sides of a question and tell who actually has the truth on their side, continued to believe they were enlightened and the right stupid because that is what they wanted to believe. Socialism was refuted by 1922, by Mises. The bright lights on the left saw as much at the latest by the end of WW II - Orwell, Koestler, Arendt. Hayek had already written "Road" by then. The classical liberals had seen that they had to side with the old conservatives.

When the left saw the same thing, they took the plunge into irrationalism - the old holdout of the European far right - deliberately. Worshipping foreign tyrants as "authentic", getting hot and bothered for Nietzche and his later French publicists, identity politics, the worship of youth rather than learning, slumming and waht Arendt called the "backstairs literature" of conspiracy - all of them were tropes of the irrationalist European far right when they had no reasonable arguments left. The left went for them the instant the old anti-communist wing of the party imploded.

The new left never had ideas on its side. It had sophistry and rhetoric and attitude. All of it borrowed from failed European radicalism of an earlier generation. Orwell, Koestler, and Arendt despised that radicalism, looked on it as a disease, a flight from reality. The new left was never about anything else. The cultural heights lost, they decided to fight on in the sewers.

For a while that gave them a certain catchet, it let them take over university departments in the humanities and social sciences for instance. But they took them over as a wrecking crew, not as thinkers. As soon as that was done, there was nothing to attract the young to the same old sophistry, so clearly empty and tired. Denouncing the patriarchy doesn't go very far with a young woman who has never met her father. Assailing privilege from positions of tenured comfort isn't very convincing, and radical relativist skepticism says nothing to young people who have literally never even encountered the belief in objective truth.

What are the great wits of the left up to these days? Recycled conspiracy crap, apologies for the most inhuman tyrants, antisemitism, thought police, a veneer of nature worship over crass self indulgence, partisanship without bounds, party directed hatred - look closely. That's Weimar. And not the Weimar of the left.

30 posted on 02/17/2005 7:21:41 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Well put.


31 posted on 02/17/2005 7:25:28 PM PST by pissant
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To: JasonC

Bump.


37 posted on 02/17/2005 7:35:30 PM PST by Shermy
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To: JasonC
Beautifully put.

It is an oversimplification approaching cant to use the P word - paradigm - in political discussion, but I think Peretz may have reduced a good deal of liberal fluff to a couple of base ideas that even he has not thoroughly examined.

Still, liberals know that the right's ideologically framed--but class-motivated--retreat of the government from the economy must be resisted.

Now we have the C word - class - and therein lies one of the major difficulties with current liberal doctrine - an overdependence on Marxian class theory as the unmoved mover of society. In point of fact, it isn't so much the democratization of capitalism that is the signal accomplishment of American economy, it is the degree to which class mobility renders class itself obsolete as a means of understanding social dynamics. This is truly heresy, but I think it deserves serious consideration.

There is nothing wrong, necessarily, with an emphasis on the group protecting and enabling its constituent individuals, which is the liberal emphasis (the conservative emphasis, contrarily, is that the individual protects and empowers the group, equally valid and more appealing to the individualist). Where this goes wrong is the insistence that the group properly describes everything important about its constituents and that they have little reality outside it. It is this assumption that leads the liberal to insist that a black man who is a CEO of a major corporation and living in a million-dollar mansion is "oppressed," not by virtue of his considerable individual accomplishments but by virtue of class membership.

That's the fallacy of class theory, and until the liberals examine and modify it they will be at the mercy of an antiquated, disproven ideology whether they succeed in winning an election or not.

58 posted on 02/17/2005 9:39:46 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: JasonC
Well said, JasonC:

The new left never had ideas on its side. It had sophistry and rhetoric and attitude. All of it borrowed from failed European radicalism of an earlier generation. Orwell, Koestler, and Arendt despised that radicalism, looked on it as a disease, a flight from reality. The new left was never about anything else. The cultural heights lost, they decided to fight on in the sewers.

79 posted on 02/18/2005 11:39:57 AM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: JasonC
Without ideas, without a clue -- the Democrats are clueless what has happened to their world.

IMHO it is the old media monopoly that has failed them. In days gone by the Democrats didn't have to think, they could count on the old media to fill in their ideas, enshrine those psuedo-ideas in untouchable glass cases and proceed to tell the folks that it was unimpeachable truth. Today with the advent of the citizen journalists, forums, blogs and the means to get their message out, the old media can no longer do the job -- the glass case has been destroyed. The Democrats are left with no cover for the fact they have no ideas -- and worse no solutions.

One could make the case that the Democrats lost their ability to think when the Vietnam war old media scam 'America lost' was successfully pulled off. The good news is they bought it.
80 posted on 02/18/2005 11:53:32 AM PST by Tarpon (Hate is not a plan for America)
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