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LOSING OUR DELUSIONS: Not Much Left (Despondent Liberal on state of Liberalism)
New Republic ^ | 2/17/05 | Martin Peretz

Posted on 02/17/2005 6:31:56 PM PST by pissant

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Unless I am missing something the DLC's New Democrat On Line (ndol.org) agrees. Twentieth century liberalim belongs on the trash heap (as conservatism deserves to remain in the trash heap, of course.)

A third way is needed. The New Democrat Third Way progressives favor free markets to build wealth and bring "social justice" to the masses. They are for rules-based "free trade" and globalization. They make the rules. They are Davos.

Hardly any difference between them and our very own "free traders."

Well, except for one difference. When the progressives and their Davos elites ask you "free traders," do you have rope to sell? RUN!

81 posted on 02/18/2005 1:56:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: pissant

Yes, it was interesting. A trifle whiny, but a start.

We have a great system of checks and balances in this country. We are a two-party (+) system for a reason. If the Republicans get too fiscally tight (not including Bush who must stop trying to please everyone), then the people speak and vote Dems in. If we start spending too much on social programs to the detriment of the actual purpose of the federal government, the people speak and vote Republican. Like scales in perpetual motion, we keep moving toward balance without ever getting there, but that's a good thing.

The Dems have a big problem. They allowed the socialists to control their party. They have to figure a way out of that problem if they want middle America to take them seriously.


82 posted on 02/18/2005 2:49:54 PM PST by sageb1
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To: pissant
Take as just one instance Russell Kirk,

Russell Kirk wrote great -- and award winning -- ghost stories.

83 posted on 02/18/2005 2:53:13 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Shisan

No, they don't believe they're evil...they think they're good. But remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Communism was thought to be a great thing by many normally sane people in the twentieth century. I'm sure most of them never imagined the great horrors communism would inflict on humanity. And I'm also sure that there are still many gullible types today who think that complete government control of everyone's lives is the way to go. These people aren't evil. But what they do many times ends up being evil.


84 posted on 02/18/2005 4:22:33 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I'm afraid you are right. He writes as Biden talks, endlessly and to no point. He seems unable to escape from Marxism 101, the class struggle, which only he and his special friends know how to use for the benefit of mankind.
BTW, how many FReepers attend private dinner parties on the upper west side? Notice that he presumes everyone knows he is referring to NYC.
The man is a snob if not worse and certainly no insightful hero.


85 posted on 02/18/2005 4:41:49 PM PST by Shisan (Jalisco no te rajes.)
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To: Shisan
LOL Well put.

Writers on the left think they will earn some kind of cache as being "unbiased" if they add a couple of sentences to their usual Marxist boilerplate about "reaching out" and common ground" before they devote 95% of their articles to the atrocities of the Bush administration or whatever. It's The New Objectivity, and I ain't buying it for a second.

86 posted on 02/18/2005 4:45:33 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Drowning someone...I wouldn't have a part in that."--Teddy K)
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To: pissant
Harvard (where Marty Peretz teaches) is where American political parties go to die. Or at least that's what they've started to say about New England. The Federalists and Whigs were considered the Harvard or New England party and look what happened to them. Whenever any party gets tagged as an elite party it's a sign of sickness. That was the case with the Democrats in the 1860s and the Republicans in the 1930s and now with the Democrats again.

A half century ago, intellectual elites saw the Democrats as the rising party of the common man, but they also saw an opportunity for themselves as the liberal leaders of that party. And they succeeded in doing just that. They put themselves at the head of the movement, and when the turned around the rank and file was gone, or at least wasn't there in sufficient numbers to win elections.

There's probably a connection between the two developments. The more a party is dominated by elites, know-it-alls and world-savers, the more likely ordinary people are to abandon it. Republicans shouldn't gloat, though, as there's a lesson for them in the Democrats' decline. Parties need to be organized to win elections, but the more they become highly controlled, top-down mechanisms that work out the answers in private and impose them on the rank and file, the more likely it is that voters are to turn against them.

87 posted on 02/18/2005 5:12:42 PM PST by x
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To: Deb

You are right. This deeply introspective, rigidly honest,
searcher of the truth was the one who fired Michael Kelly for disagreeing with him about hopeless Al. Scratch a liberal and you will find fascist.


88 posted on 02/18/2005 5:17:27 PM PST by Shisan (Jalisco no te rajes.)
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To: pissant; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...

From time to time, I’ll post or ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.


89 posted on 02/18/2005 5:48:04 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Thanks for the ping, neverdem! Just a minor anecdote on this reference in the article to John Kenneth Galbraith:

I think it was John Kenneth Galbraith, speaking in the early 1960s, the high point of post-New Deal liberalism, who pronounced conservatism dead.

When John F. Kennedy was considering candidates to fill the post of Secretary of the Treasury, he asked the advice of Republican Robert Lovett, who had considerable experience on Wall Street. JFK wanted to know, what did people on Wall Street think of Galbraith's economic theories? Lovett answered, "He's a fine novelist."

90 posted on 02/18/2005 6:31:10 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

LOL!


91 posted on 02/18/2005 6:51:31 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: blanknoone; expatpat
That is an extremely limited view. There is also Lenin. Stalin. Trotsky. Mao.

Depends on the meaning of "is." (:-)

The question was Who is a truly influential liberal mind in our culture?

The names you mention bring to mind the word "was."

92 posted on 02/18/2005 7:29:31 PM PST by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: lancer

The mind of Marx, in the form of his writings, IS still very influential in the liberal culture.


93 posted on 02/18/2005 7:37:17 PM PST by expatpat
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To: pissant
There is a new model of society emerging before our eyes: a most rapacious capitalist economy under a most pitiless communist political tyranny.

Um, I think that its called Fascism, and there is nothing new about it.

The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual,
* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition,
* engages in severe economic and social regimentation.
* engages in corporatism,[1]
* implements or is a totalitarian regime.

94 posted on 02/18/2005 7:43:12 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: pissant

bump


95 posted on 02/18/2005 9:59:06 PM PST by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: pissant

btttt


96 posted on 02/18/2005 10:01:02 PM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: expatpat
Because Communism doesn't reward the producers, it has to oppress them into submission. 200 million murders is pretty clear proof it doesn't work.

Pray for W and Our Troops

97 posted on 02/18/2005 10:04:51 PM PST by bray (Iraq Freed Politically and Pray it will be Freed Spiritually)
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To: lancer
The names you mention bring to mind the word "was."

They are just as influential on the left as ever.

98 posted on 02/19/2005 4:02:46 AM PST by blanknoone (Steyn: "The Dems are all exit and no strategy")
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To: sauropod

finish reading later.


99 posted on 02/19/2005 4:09:31 AM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: expatpat

That's exactly what I was thinking as I finished the article. Howard Dean complained about someone tieing the DNC to Lynne Stewart, but the fact is that Dean and the Deaniacs at MoveOn.Org, who claim to be in charge of the Democrat party, are inextricably linked to the communist National Lawyers' Guild, of which Lynne Stewart is currently the most prominent member. The National Lawyers'
Guild founded MoveOn.Org.


100 posted on 02/19/2005 4:25:35 AM PST by Eva
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