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To: DannyTN

I'm not a scientist who works in this field, but I just can't believe that the thousands of people who do this science every day (and the thousands who have done it in the past) can all be wrong. Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist. Carbon dating does tell us how old organic material is. Light travels at a set speed, and millions of years must have passed for us to see starts that are millions of light years away. I'm not saying that humans know everything, but in so many fields and in so many ways, the universe demonstrates to us that is much older than a literal reading of the Bible would have us believe.


11 posted on 02/17/2005 3:31:52 PM PST by nyg4168
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To: nyg4168

Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.

Where is your evidence. If you read the Bible there are various passages about dragons and the leviathan. Dinosaur is a relatively new term invented in the 1800s I believe,

Carbon dating does tell us how old organic material is.

But it is frequently misused and is inaccuarate over a certain number of years

Light travels at a set speed, and millions of years must have passed for us to see starts that are millions of light years away.

Tere is evidence that the speed of light has slowed from the mid 1800s and if calculated backwards is near infinite 6000 years ago.


25 posted on 02/17/2005 3:43:44 PM PST by antihannityguy
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This is the same argument that I've heard wherein a Catholic Priest, when questioned on some theology replied: "Well my son, I don't know about that, but if we are going to hell, there are 500,000,000 of us going together."


32 posted on 02/17/2005 3:54:45 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: nyg4168
I'm not a scientist who works in this field, but I just can't believe that the thousands of people who do this science every day (and the thousands who have done it in the past) can all be wrong.

Yeah, everyone once thought for long periods due to deep science that the earth was flat. I just can't imagine how they could be wrong.

46 posted on 02/17/2005 4:55:24 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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Dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.

There is some weak evidence that perhaps they did. This includes the Bibical references to a couple of creatures one of which was described as having a tail like a cedar tree. There are the references to dragons in multiple cultures. There is a reference in the Bible to King David having a "dragon pit". Whether this held animals or not, who knows? There is some peruvian pottery that shows drawings of men with dinosaurs that is "supposedly" old. There have been cave drawings found. But we haven't found fossil evidence. At least none that has been independently confirmed. And until that occurs, the evidence is weak at best.

Carbon dating does tell us how old organic material is.

Up to a point. all carbon 14 should deplete by 90,000 years. But no fossils have been found that have been fully depleted. And the levels are higher than what are thought to be due to contamination. Even if it is from contamination, that casts doubt on other radiometric techniques.

Other radiometric techniques date for longer ages than Carbon, but there are problems with all of them. The most common one was Potassium Argon dating. It was assumed that all argon boiled out of lava upon eruption and therefore lava could be dated since the argon ratio would initially be 0. But it has turned out to be a false assumption. 16 different vocanoes of recent eruptions all tested with long dates due to excess argon. What's more argon is a gas that may seep through the ground like Radon contaminating samples.

Light travels at a set speed, and millions of years must have passed for us to see starts that are millions of light years away.

This is the most difficult observation to reconcile to a literal interpretation of the Bible. But there are a couple of possibilities.

  1. There is a theory on speed of light changing (dubious but not entirely impossible),
  2. there are theories about inflation of the universe and relativistic and temporal effects that may have resulted in the universe aging at a different rate than Earth,
  3. There's a theory I have about God and time. God interacts with time differently than we do. This must be true for Him to be able to tell us the future, and yet we have free will. But If He can tell us now about the future because He's been there, then He can also go into the past from here and change things. It's possible that He created the Earth when there were no stars, go to day 4 of the Creation week and created the stars, but created them at a point in time, far enough back to have the light arrive at Day 4. This wouldn't be deceptive. It would just be a demonstration of His power, that we arrogantly took to mean He had lied, because we didn't understand the scope of His power.
  4. There is a theory that God created the light from the stars in transit when He created the stars. Again, there are some who say, that He would be lying, but if the purpose was to give light, then He wouldn't really. There's no reason He should wait millions of years just to keep a few arrogant men from assuming He lied.

72 posted on 02/17/2005 7:37:26 PM PST by DannyTN
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