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Republicans Push for New Nuke Requirement [Nuclear bunker-buster]
Global Security Newswire ^ | 2/17/2005 | David Ruppe

Posted on 02/17/2005 12:15:19 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

WASHINGTON — Republican lawmakers this week pressed U.S. defense officials to explain why the military would need a new earth-penetrating nuclear weapon, which has been under evaluation in a program favored by the Bush administration (see GSN, Feb. 4).

The administration has requested $8.5 million in fiscal 2006 funding for the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator program to continue a study of whether an upgraded, existing nuclear weapon might be capable of plowing more deeply through rock prior to a nuclear explosion.

The money would enable a first drop test by the Air Force next year of the hardened weapon, without a nuclear explosion.

Bipartisan opposition to the program was sufficient to eliminate funding for the program for the current fiscal year. A key Republican lawmaker questioned whether the senior military leadership believes there is a military need — reflected in a formally stated military requirement — for whatever new capability the weapon might offer.

No one at the Defense or Energy departments has “ever articulated to me a specific military requirement for a nuclear earth penetrator,” Representative Dave Hobson (R-Ohio), chairman of the House Appropriations Energy and Water Development Subcommittee, said in a speech this month.

No Formal Requirement

So far, military leaders have not publicly indicated a formal military requirement for a modified weapon.

“A formal military requirement for the nuclear bunker buster would give the program additional forward momentum. It brings the bomb closer to reality,” said Council for a Livable World President John Isaacs.

A Republican legislator yesterday asked Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to detail such a requirement.

“Could you please tell me directly if there’s a military need for this robust nuclear earth penetrator?” asked Representative Terry Everett (R-Ala.) at a Defense Department budget hearing before the House Armed Services Committee.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Richard Myers responded that the combatant commander responsible for worrying about deeply buried targets “certainly thinks there’s a need for this study,” and also endorsed that view.

“It’s not a commitment to go forward with a system, it’s just to see if it’s feasible,” he said.

Rumsfeld said “there is a need for the study — which is what we’re talking about here, and not a weapon.”

He offered, though, the administration’s rationale for pursuing such a capability, though, saying new commercial technology has enabled other countries to bury facilities by “digging underground, in rock, twice the height of a basketball net and the full length of a basketball court every day in rock.”

Countries “all across the globe are putting things underground, and we have no capability, conventional or nuclear, to deal with the issue of deep penetrat[ion],” Rumsfeld said.

Rumsfeld in January reportedly sent a letter to then Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham urging funding for continuing the earth-penetrator study (see GSN, Feb. 1).

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner (R-Va.) at a hearing on Tuesday asked Abraham’s replacement, Samuel Bodman, to provide the committee the administration’s justification for the program (see GSN, Feb. 16).

Administration Seeks Weapon

The administration first signaled an interest in a new earth-penetrating capability in its 2002 Nuclear Posture Review.

A deeper digging nuclear weapon, Pentagon officials have argued, could provide the United States a better capability to strike deeply buried, hardened underground bunkers and potentially create less surface destruction by using a small nuclear yield.

Congressional opponents and independent critics of the effort have argued that no weapon is likely to plow deep enough to significantly contain a blast; that such a weapon would be unlikely to be used because it would create massive surface destruction and fallout on populated areas; and that the program undermines efforts to strengthen international nonproliferation cooperation.

The administration last year projected a five-year, $485 million budget for the earth-penetrator program if Congress authorizes moving past the study phase into full research and development.

U.S. Representative Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) suggested that North Korean officials during his recent visit to Pyongyang expressed concern about the United States obtaining a more capable nuclear earth penetrator.

“The North Koreans were very intrigued by the notion that we were looking to pursue a deep-earth penetrator to get at their underground complexes,” he said during yesterday’s briefing.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bunkerbuster; mininukes; needtoday; nuclearweapons; suckstobiran; usetommorow
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1 posted on 02/17/2005 12:15:22 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
“The North Koreans were very intrigued by the notion that we were looking to pursue a deep-earth penetrator to get at their underground complexes,” he said during yesterday’s briefing.

Kim Jong-Il, take note.

2 posted on 02/17/2005 12:16:11 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Please leave a message after the burp....)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

"U.S. Representative Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) suggested that North Korean officials during his recent visit to Pyongyang expressed concern about the United States obtaining a more capable nuclear earth penetrator. "

Deterrant to N.Korea. They will soon be unable to hide underground. HAARP can see you underground, and bunker busting nukes can kill you. Once they realize their facilities are about as safe as the fort you used to make with your mom's sofa cushions we can then ask them "Now, are you ready to play nice?"


3 posted on 02/17/2005 12:22:55 PM PST by Sax
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

David Hobson is an absolute fool.


4 posted on 02/17/2005 12:24:30 PM PST by Mr.Clark (From the darkness....I shall come)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
“Could you please tell me directly if there’s a military need for this robust nuclear earth penetrator?” asked Representative Terry Everett (R-Ala.) at a Defense Department budget hearing before the House Armed Services Committee.
I suppose the question needs to be asked...if you're dumb as a bag of hammers.
5 posted on 02/17/2005 12:46:02 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Sax

From the looks of it, HAARP can do more than see you underground, in fact it looks to lil-o-me that bunker busters arn't needed with HAARP in our corner.


6 posted on 02/17/2005 12:46:06 PM PST by groovejedi
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To: groovejedi

Ah, HAARP - one of my guilty pleasures. Somewhere between being able to crack the earth in half and merely studying the Aurora Borealis, the truth lies. And since it brings out the conspiracy theory guys like ants to a picnic it's a barrel o' fun too!

Tinfoil hats ON!!


7 posted on 02/17/2005 12:51:55 PM PST by Sax
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Isn't it true that during the last series of live fire nuclear tests conducted by the U.S., the device was buried underground to minimize the radiation at the surface or in the atmosphere?

If so, how's this for a reason.

The nuclear penetrator gives us a nuclear option that achieves our military objectives with little or no radiation to the surrounding populace. Think of it as finally having "surgical precision" with nukes.

Best Regards

Sergio
8 posted on 02/17/2005 12:55:54 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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And when it's all over they can grow 50lb carrots there!

I wouldn't imagine we would pop even an underground nuke without an attempted nuke strike on ourselves or an ally first - and then the gloves may come off anyway.

But you're right - we would probably be less concerned with tattooing an area with multiple strikes knowing that most fallout would be contained.


9 posted on 02/17/2005 1:05:17 PM PST by Sax
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And when it's all over they can grow 50lb carrots there!

LOL!!!

You could also fill the resulting depression in the ground with water and have 250lb catfish!

This ought to give the Chinese and Russians the willies as they buried all their command and control stuff deep enough to resist an air burst. This completely changes the rules.

I say we should be the firstest with the mostest.

Best Regards

Sergio

10 posted on 02/17/2005 1:14:28 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Sergio

Notice to all burrowing rodents:

Farmer McGregor is working with some new tools. You've been warned.


11 posted on 02/17/2005 1:21:13 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

Gee. Is this anything like Dr. Science's "magic mole machine" ?


12 posted on 02/17/2005 1:26:32 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Sax; Eric in the Ozarks
Ok, now you guys are just getting silly. I like silly. I say that there is nothing more fun than the judicious use of high explosives.

Thanks to you both for the laughs.

Best Regards

Sergio
13 posted on 02/17/2005 1:40:46 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Sergio; Eric in the Ozarks

Cheers!


14 posted on 02/17/2005 1:43:52 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sergio
I believe nuclear tests are performed in drilled tunnels between 700 and 1500 feet deep. They might be at angles to the surface but the test depth is based on the expected yield. The tunnels have all sorts of timed doors and experiments to evaluate the test and test material and electrical technology. I do not think that a bunker buster will drill deep enough to provide for containment of the radioactive residue of a blast. It certainly will make a big hole however.
15 posted on 02/17/2005 1:55:07 PM PST by Final Authority
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Congressional opponents and independent critics of the effort have argued that no weapon is likely to plow deep enough to significantly contain a blast; that such a weapon would be unlikely to be used because it would create massive surface destruction and fallout on populated areas; and that the program undermines efforts to strengthen international nonproliferation cooperation.

err....then you've already conducted a study. May we have a copy? It sure would save us a lot of time and money.

16 posted on 02/17/2005 1:55:38 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Cobalt Thorium G, then ?


17 posted on 02/17/2005 2:00:29 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Hmmm, Cobalt Thorium G? Now what's the half-life on something like that...
18 posted on 02/17/2005 2:06:23 PM PST by Sax
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To: Sax
'dja ever notice you never see Dr. Strangelove and George Soros in the same room together ?
19 posted on 02/17/2005 2:11:49 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Hmmm, and I think I've seen Soros surpressing a Seig Heil! too. You might be on to something.


20 posted on 02/17/2005 2:14:23 PM PST by Sax
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