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what the hell is it with the indiana rinos lately? the entire state is being taken over by specter republicans .This is the second anti freedom big goverment bill to be proposed by the repubs in as many days and lets not forget we gotta raise tobacco taxes to fund the goveremnt we cant possibly cut spending we are republicans after all read democrap lite.Its really discusting.
1 posted on 02/17/2005 10:29:08 AM PST by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32

Mandatory seatbelt laws are wrong because...?


2 posted on 02/17/2005 10:32:05 AM PST by sully777 (It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
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3 posted on 02/17/2005 10:32:14 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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FWIW, are your car and health insurance premiums high enough yet? Folks who are in an accident and are unbuckled tend to sustain more severe injuries than those who are buckled. They cost more frigging money. Guess who pays for that? In any case, driving is a privilege, not a right. The state can regulate it any way it sees fit, and this is totally reasonable.


4 posted on 02/17/2005 10:32:28 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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Darrell Minix couldn't tell his daughter to wear her seatbelt, so he wants the government to tell everyone else to wear theirs?

I'm sorry he lost his daughter - I cannot even imagine the pain he feels - but it's time for him to be a man and not try to blame it on anyone else except the guy he sees in the mirror.


5 posted on 02/17/2005 10:34:11 AM PST by Redbob
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Wyss said legislators should focus on public safety, not personal rights.

QUOTE OF THE WEEK!

After all, we wouldn't want anyone giving consideration to personal rights would we? I mean, that's why we have the Bill of Safeties, isn't it? Oh, wait a minute..

6 posted on 02/17/2005 10:38:55 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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This is probably being heavily pushed by the insurance industry. Can`t say I blame them though.

If it can save all of us some money on our insurance premiums ( auto and health care ), then I am all for it. Why should I have to pay for someone elses stupidity ( for lack of a better word )?

People here gripe because of their tax money is being given to lazy people who are unwilling to work. How is paying higher premiums because of people who refuse to wear a seat belt any different?

But if it isn`t going to lower insurance premuims, then I would say forget about it.

We will see where this one goes.


7 posted on 02/17/2005 10:42:35 AM PST by Peace will be here soon
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I would have no objection to not requiring seat belt use if

1. insurance rates were calculated on whether seat belts are used or not,
2. insurance coverage is limited if you say you will wear your seat belt but are in a wreck without it on,
3. government does not have to pay disability for those who are in wrecks without their seat belts on, and,
4. government doesn't pick up the tab for all of the costs listed above.

Because none of these are true, I do not object to this type law.


8 posted on 02/17/2005 10:42:41 AM PST by NeilGus
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Funny they haven't mentioned seatbelts on trains or busses (especially school busses) yet even though they are required on airplanes. Many of the people who died in the metrolink accident in LA probably would have survived if they had been wearing seatbelts, but as far as I know there weren't even any installed for those who wanted them.

--wife of ZGuy

9 posted on 02/17/2005 10:44:37 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: freepatriot32
This is the second anti freedom big goverment bill to be proposed by the repubs in as many days and lets not forget we gotta raise tobacco taxes to fund the goveremnt we cant possibly cut spending we are republicans after all read democrap lite.Its really discusting.

Get used to it. The entire GOP has been commandeered by the monied oligarch and they only care about their profit and the power they have over the everyone else.

11 posted on 02/17/2005 10:46:36 AM PST by eskimo
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It is not a "RINO" to demand seat belt usage. We should have laws with penalties for misuse of antibotics also. imo.


21 posted on 02/17/2005 10:55:22 AM PST by montag813
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The bill is being dubbed "Megan's Bill" after 24-year-old Megan Minix of Kokomo, who died last year when the pickup truck she was riding in flipped over. She wasn't wearing a seat belt because she felt safer in the truck, her father said, even though she always wore one in her car. I wonder how different our lives would be if Megan would have had her seat belt on," a tearful Darrell Minix told the committee.

It would have taken a law for his daughter to wear a seatbelt? Wow. We are becoming a nation of sheep.

23 posted on 02/17/2005 10:58:31 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: freepatriot32

Repubs are still statists. This is statism. Liberalism is our Republican governor raising taxes on the "rich." That's why I don't vote for Redemopublicrats anymore.


34 posted on 02/17/2005 11:07:37 AM PST by mysterio
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Ohfercryinoutloud


36 posted on 02/17/2005 11:09:27 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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I always wear my seat belt and I think it is stupid not to do so. I do think it should be law that children are buckled up, but if an adult wants to go without a seat belt (or helmet, or smokes, or skydives, or eats too much, etc.), I say we let them engage in their right to live however they want.

Some have brought up the fact that injuries due to risky behaviors cause ins. premiums to go up for everyone. So how bout this; as an adult you can choose to disregard your own safety however you wish. But if you get injured, your insurance will not cover it. Problem solved.
58 posted on 02/17/2005 11:35:13 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soilent green is made of liberals...)
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I strongly support freedom. Don't wear a seat belt, if that's what you choose. Be fearless and free.

But, in return:

Don't ask for new research to give you back your life.
Don't ask for help to pay your bills while you can't work.
Don't expect any sympathy.
Lie quietly in the bed you made.


75 posted on 02/17/2005 11:55:07 AM PST by auboy (Saying and doing are often miles apart.)
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To: freepatriot32

I hate the seat belt law requirement.

It definitely is an infringement of my freedom.


97 posted on 02/17/2005 12:14:34 PM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: freepatriot32
When I come back home to Indiana to visit my mother and father, and to bring the grandkids, I have a right to expect that the drivers on the roads are in control of their cars and trucks.

What I don't need is some jerk who hit a chuckhole and got bounced out of his seat over-steering his vehicle into my path where his automobile is going to hurt or kill us. Or, worse, has passengers flying around the compartment, and now he can't see where he's going at 75 MPH because his wife's legs block his view.

Now, is there anyone in Indiana who does not know what a chuckhole is?

There's no RINO issue here. Instead, there's a question of Socialist equity ~ that's where you take everybody's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, toss it into the same pot, and come up with an absence of fundamental safety regulations ~ the idea being that if anything bad happens the government will just pay everybody off out of tax dollars.

Hey, I don't want a payoff, I want to live, and I want my kids to live, and I don't want to get hurt.

So, quit your Commie snivling about "oh, my liberty is hurt" when it comes to buckling up a driver and the passengers in a car, truck, SUV or other motor vehicle out using the public right of way.

134 posted on 02/18/2005 12:07:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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I fought it at first and than I came to my senses, it lowers insurance rates and may save your life.


136 posted on 02/18/2005 2:34:52 PM PST by John Lenin
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We need MORE republicans so the RINOs can be marginalized out of the system.


149 posted on 02/22/2005 12:21:25 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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