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Senate panel backs extending seat-belt requirements (more RINOs coming out of the woodwork)
kpcnews.com ^ | 2 15 05 | DEANNA WRENN

Posted on 02/17/2005 10:28:42 AM PST by freepatriot32

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To: TheBigB

I'll bear that in mind next time I'm in town.


101 posted on 02/17/2005 12:22:22 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: sully777
"Mandatory seatbelt laws are wrong because...?"

They're wrong because they are arbitratry and capricious.

Do you see them in schoolbuses with all those PRECIOUS little children?

And why not?

Seatbelt laws are only passed for the reason that they collect more revenue for the greedy government, who couldn't be less interested in actual safety.

102 posted on 02/17/2005 12:28:34 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: NorCalRepub
but sometimes I wish we could protect people from themselves but that would lead to too much govt intervention.

But who are we to make life choices for our neighbors. For example, I would never ride a motorcycle for safety reasons, let alone ride one without a helmet. To me the risk outweighs the benefits. But others choose to ride motorcycles without helmets because to them, the perceived freedom of riding with the wind through their hair outweighs the risk of injury.

Who am I to mandate the extent to which they should value their own safety. Life is short. We should all enjoy it in our own way. Liberals seem to think that the only goal in life is to prolong it.

103 posted on 02/17/2005 12:35:33 PM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: Still Thinking

In that case, hopefully, they go through the open window at the pillow factory....


104 posted on 02/17/2005 12:36:07 PM PST by notigar
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To: Texas Federalist

that is why I said it would lead to too much intervention.....but on the side, and I wouldn't argue this on FR cause of the flak, but I am of the opinion that smokers, obese people etc should pay higher premiums because risky optional behavior does effect all of us in the long run with higher costs, less production etc. I know there are other variables and others will start in with me about other lesser things.....again, this is just my opinion.


105 posted on 02/17/2005 12:42:23 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: nightdriver
They're wrong because they are arbitratry and capricious.

Do you see them in schoolbuses with all those PRECIOUS little children?

And why not?

Seatbelt laws are only passed for the reason that they collect more revenue for the greedy government, who couldn't be less interested in actual safety.

Seatbelts aren't a big deal in school busses because in a typical collision between a 20,000lb bus and a 3,000lb car the passengers on the bus will feel a slight jolt.

Deciding you are going to cripple yourself is not a private decision when someone else is going to have to pay your medical bills.

106 posted on 02/17/2005 12:51:02 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: NorCalRepub

I agree with you. If you are a smoker or a glutton, the insurance company's have every right to charge you for it. You are free to engage in conduct, but still must face any non-goverment-imposed consequences.


107 posted on 02/17/2005 12:52:35 PM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: CGTRWK
Deciding you are going to cripple yourself is not a private decision when someone else is going to have to pay your medical bills.

The government cannot claim ownership of your body simply because it chooses to impose responsibility for your health care on the public. (Hey, we found a loophole in the 13th Amendment!) The logical extension of your argument would lead to totolitarianism. The simple solution is either not to impose these costs on the public or accept the fact that with public imposed health costs comes a need to tolerate the increased costs caused by bad personal choices (we can call this the "Liberty Tax").

108 posted on 02/17/2005 1:00:22 PM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: tahiti

OK by me. As soon as these laws are repealed, I will support this law.


109 posted on 02/17/2005 1:16:44 PM PST by NeilGus
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To: Redbob
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110 posted on 02/17/2005 1:36:38 PM PST by Candy_nsuch
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To: CGTRWK
"Seatbelts aren't a big deal in school busses because in a typical collision between a 20,000lb bus and a 3,000lb car the passengers on the bus will feel a slight jolt."

Tell that to the survivors (there were some) of that schoolbus in Idaho that got T-boned by a 40,000-pound beet truck in Idaho when I was a kid.

Some "slight jolt!"

"Deciding you are going to cripple yourself is not a private decision when someone else is going to have to pay your medical bills."

Uhmmmm, I have not decided to cripple myself.

It's like the law requiring motorcyclists to wear helments. Instead of being killed outright in a motorcycle wreck, the helmet reduces it to a lifetime (at someone else's expense) in a wheelchair with a spinal injury or some such. Unforseen consequence.

Seatbelts may or may not be a good idea, examples exist both ways, but they are a terrible LAW.

111 posted on 02/17/2005 1:54:36 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: CGTRWK
Deciding you are going to cripple yourself is not a private decision when someone else is going to have to pay your medical bills.

So your solution to problems caused by illegal government meddling in health care is illegal government meddling in auto safety? You must be a liberal.

112 posted on 02/17/2005 2:52:36 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: nightdriver
Tell that to the survivors (there were some) of that schoolbus in Idaho that got T-boned by a 40,000-pound beet truck in Idaho when I was a kid.

There's always a fluke exception if you go looking hard enough. The most common collisions between busses and passenger vehicles do not inflict serious acceleration forces on bus passengers.

Uhmmmm, I have not decided to cripple myself.

Statistically, you are almost certain to have an accident eventually and when you do you will be injured more severely without a seatbelt than with. Not wearing a seatbelt absolutely is deciding to cripple yourself, the only question is when.

The NHTSA says the average hospital bill for an unbelted motorist is 55% higher than for someone wearing a belt. That is real money and it is coming out of my insurance premiums and my tax bill.

113 posted on 02/17/2005 3:46:03 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Still Thinking

No, I'm a realist. The government is going to meddle in healthcare, period. That isn't even on the table. So long as they are going to meddle, they ought to at least meddle effectively.

Making you wear a belt is a damn sight less meddling and intrusive than making me pay $180,000 to the four surgeons trying to put you back together all night.


114 posted on 02/17/2005 3:53:42 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: CGTRWK
"Statistically, you are almost certain to have an accident eventually..."

Then "statistically," I'm even more certain to have an accident because I've driven over 1,200,000 miles without so much as putting a dent in a vehicle.

Seatbelt laws are not very enforceable at night, so I guess they're "daytime only" laws. (/sarc.)

115 posted on 02/17/2005 4:04:36 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Texas Federalist

"Seatbelt laws are immoral and unconstitutional because they are a pure example of government regulating behavior which does not hurt anyone but the actor."

Got to disagree with you on this one. I have witnessed very minor accidents where the driver was thrown from their position behind the wheel ( because of non-seatbelt use ) which then caused a total loss of control of their vehicle, thereby causing more accidents.

It is hard to drive your car from the passenger seat floorboard.


116 posted on 02/17/2005 4:20:16 PM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: CGTRWK
No, I'm a realist. The government is going to meddle in healthcare, period. That isn't even on the table.

Acquiescence is implicit approval. It would be on the table if 30% or more of the people in the nation demanded it be on the table. Two wrongs don't make a right.

117 posted on 02/17/2005 4:24:56 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: sully777

It is my right to choose.


118 posted on 02/17/2005 4:26:02 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: NeilGus

Nanny State! Want to make sure everyone crosses the road at the light too or you won't pay for any government disability, etc?


119 posted on 02/17/2005 4:27:21 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Still Thinking

"Bill of Safeties" LOL


120 posted on 02/17/2005 4:28:32 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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