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Looming Talent Crisis Faces U.S. Companies
Rismedia ^ | 2/16/05 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 02/17/2005 9:25:25 AM PST by qam1

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To: schu; All

Quote: If something costs less down the street, don't you go buy it there? You do not shop around for the best price?

I realize this is a global economy but doesn't somewhere US companies have any loyalty to US workers. Even a smidgeon??
You mention gov. regulations are a factor in business cost and I agree 100%.

However lets say for argument purposes a US company has zero regulations to contend with on american soil. However the wage for a US worker is $20 and they can go to China for 1.00 per hour. They are going to go to china my friend. It is all about profits..which it should be, but again, should there not be any loyalty whatsoever to american workers. (Even with companies that get money from US taxpayers.)In todays age there is not.

You free traitors that think your job cannot be outsourced (and tell the ones that lost their job to suck it up-be man etc, move to another local etc )should read a report that was on this site today or yesterday. China even wants to get into financial services.
Architecture and other "outsource proof" jobs are next.
We are going down a lsippery slope.


61 posted on 02/17/2005 4:58:14 PM PST by superiorslots
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To: dfwgator

Here here!!!


62 posted on 02/17/2005 5:11:32 PM PST by BBell
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To: superiorslots
I assume free traitors was an intentional slip, and without making too much of it, I resent it. To suggest that somehow I am a traitor because I have a realistic view of the world is ludicrous as well as insulting.

I am fully aware of the problems with displaced workers, I happen to be one, lost my job due to "global competition", even though this happened, it does not change my view one iota.

First, my standard of living has never been higher, I do not care about where companies do things.

Second, I have spent the time and effort to make myself marketable in other industries where I am less susceptible to the global forces. Does that mean there is no risk, of course not, but this idea of company security/loyalty is a pipe dream, you are a free agent. Now are there advantages to companies having this trait? I believe there are, this is the gist of the article IMHO, but it is their decision.

I just do not get it, but it is human nature, people look at the world as they want it to be, and plead with the "government" to fix it if it is not. It is far more useful to view the world as it actually is.

63 posted on 02/17/2005 5:25:33 PM PST by schu
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To: k2blader
Dear "HR executives",
That's why there are such things as resumes and interviews. I'm sure you are perfect employees. So stop whining and do your jobs.
Sincerely, k2

Grrrrr. There is nothing like having your qualifications judged by someone whose only qualification is as a Human Resource "Executive".

Here's a tip, If a company has more than 1 HR Rep per 150 employees, You don't want to work there.

64 posted on 02/17/2005 5:32:23 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: JustAnAmerican
Deloitte Consulting Offshore Technology Group (DC-OTG) announced plans to double its staff strength in India this year from the current 1,000 employees, and also repeat the process next year.

This is actually a good thing!

I'm amazed American companies can compete at all, Just like our government it seems all companies are loaded with useless, productivity draining positions like Team*/group leaders, Efficiency experts, Sensitivity trainers, Quality Assurance, Bloated HR Dept's and of course Consultants.

If we export this nonsense to other countries, maybe we can drag them down to our level. Or when the baby boomers retire and we get rid of these worthless positions then any so called labor shortage problem will be solved (Though unfortunately these people seem to be entrenched, You never see them get laid off).

* - I fully support who ever the person that came up with the concepts of "Teams" be publicly hung.

65 posted on 02/17/2005 5:48:09 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: schu

"We are all entrepreneurs now."


66 posted on 02/17/2005 5:51:26 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: dfwgator
And those who have not come to grips with this fact have put themselves in jeopardy.

Great point, thank you very much.
67 posted on 02/17/2005 6:18:13 PM PST by schu
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To: schu

better education? to hold what jobs? service sector jobs? people are already tuning out of colleges and increasingly going to vocational schools. even if we eliminated all litigation in the US, and dropped all our environmental laws - we still could not compete with wages in china. their low standard of living and artificial currency peg guarantees them the advantage. what we should be doing is using tariffs to level the playing field.


68 posted on 02/17/2005 6:59:04 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview
OK, tariffs are fine.

Are you willing to pay $50,000 for your Saturn 2 door and $25 for a pair of socks and $1,500 for a color 25" TV? Let me know when you get the votes to implement this.

Go ahead, no one is stopping you from spending your $$ however you want, but do not foist you crazy ideas on the rest of us. Please, spare me such drivel, it is nonsensical. Your view that we cannot compete is total nonsense. Wages for cheap labor, that is a given. Wake up man, who are the richest people in the world? What do they do? Why can't you?
69 posted on 02/17/2005 7:16:58 PM PST by schu
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To: dljordan

Not if the jobs are already outsourced, they won't.

No chance of being fired if you're never hired.


70 posted on 02/17/2005 9:07:27 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? If we can get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: squirt-gun
When they retire, we can let the kids with Ethnic studies and fine arts degrees design and develop our high tech future

For some reason, I can't visualize cello players showing an interest in rocket design. There's so much dead wood in corporate worlds and academia that many are paid to retire, resign or just go away.

71 posted on 02/18/2005 6:55:54 AM PST by Podkayne (Death to Islamic Hegemony.)
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To: schu

Quote: Are you willing to pay $50,000 for your Saturn 2 door

Saturns are made in Tenn with AMERICAN workers and some of their models sell for less than 20K. Imagine that.


72 posted on 02/18/2005 8:33:18 AM PST by superiorslots
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To: qam1
There is nothing like having your qualifications judged by someone whose only qualification is as a Human Resource "Executive".

I've actually never had that experience, but I don't doubt you are right!

73 posted on 02/18/2005 9:07:52 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Goodgirlinred

You are the exception rather than the rule.


74 posted on 02/18/2005 9:11:39 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: superiorslots
Yes, I am aware of the Saturn thing in TN. I suspect, but do not know, that many of the component assemblies in the Saturn are made overseas, final assemply is done in the US. GM also accounts for health insurance differently for Saturn, not sure that they are profitable.

That said, if we erect trade barriers via tariffs and expect that the cost of products will not sky rocket, we kidding ourselves. From a pure cost of living standpoint, all the global political ramifications aside, this is a very bad idea.
75 posted on 02/18/2005 9:49:28 AM PST by schu
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To: bigeasy_70118
What do you mean? Is that good or bad?
76 posted on 02/18/2005 10:43:03 AM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: schu

Very true. Now, I want to ask a question. I am going to get slammed for this one. Why does our cost of living have to be so high? I don't want to live in a mud hut or whatever the Chinese live in so that they can survive on such low incomes, but why the disparity in pay? Why can they make it on 20 times less money/hour than we can?


77 posted on 02/18/2005 11:01:18 AM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: sarasota

Boy, you said it. This has got to be the worst group I've seen yet. I wouldn't hire any of them but what I've seen so far. It doesn't matter anyway, because the show isn't about the contestants anymore anyway. It's an hour long commercial for Trump and his Corporate friends.


78 posted on 02/18/2005 11:03:09 AM PST by Hildy ( To work is to dance, to live is to worship, to breathe is to love.)
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To: cinives
What all these idiots fail to account for the the very large labor pool in the 40+ year old age group who are unemployed or underemployed. Generally speaking, this age group is savvy, seasoned, with good skills learned in school and in 20 years of being in the workforce, yet they are cast aside or not called back for the second interview because of their grey hair

They don't want old guys becaues old guys are too smart to jump through hoops whenever an employer dangles a carrot.

79 posted on 02/18/2005 11:04:49 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: qam1

Perhaps the problem is not that there are too few skilled workers.

But that there may be too many skilled jobs for the percentage of geniuses in America's portion of the world population.

We should therefore concentrate on solutions to reduce the number of skilled jobs.

In the short term, this may be painful to some employers, but in the long term it better for everyone.


80 posted on 02/18/2005 11:07:15 AM PST by Age of Reason
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