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Mark Steyn: Death of a salesman
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 02/19/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/17/2005 7:50:53 AM PST by Pokey78

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To: texasbluebell

He went to British schools.

Canadians who don't go to British schools don't have British accents.


21 posted on 02/17/2005 8:39:52 AM PST by somerville
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To: Pokey78

Steyn nails it again. BTTP


22 posted on 02/17/2005 8:40:41 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: daviddennis

I think it is a glorification of post-War (WW2) Existentialism. It is rampant in 'modern' music, too, and movies. "Life is the pits; it is hollow, without meaning, without form and shape." And then they go about debunking heroes, sacrifices, anything that smacks of rising to the highest potential of the human condition. Popularly known as 'I may as well go eat worms.'


23 posted on 02/17/2005 8:46:46 AM PST by bboop
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To: Pokey78
Re: “‘The man who wrote Death of a Salesman died Thursday. And attention must be paid.’”

Excuse me, what was that you were saying, I wasn’t paying attention? You see I am a little focused on the death of a really important person. Sister Lucia de Jesus dos Santos, the child seer of Fatima. She died at the age of 97. I assure she was more valuable to humanity than any overrated play write, whose work was forced down the throats of every high school student. Does anyone like Miller’s work who isn’t trying to smooze the teacher for an “A”?

Re: “….British director David Thacker’s assessment of Miller as just below Shakespeare. ‘He is as great as any writer in the history of playwriting,’ declared Thacker.”

//Barf// Has literature in Britain really fallen that far down?!?!?! Well if that is the case we can officially declare the end of Western Civilization.

Re: “He was the ‘Moral Voice of the American Stage’ (the New York Times headline) with ‘A Morality that Stared Down Sanctimony’”

In a related obit, the “Moralist” Judas Iscariot dies after loosing a long battle with depression and suffering at the hands of an uncaring and controlling cult who drove him to despair.

Re: “‘that he could live with this unfortunate woman (Marilyn Monroe) for over four years and yet be capable of no greater insights into her character.’”

I don’t think her “character” was what was on Miller’s mind. Heah!!! Miller, eyes up about 8 inches buddy!

Re: Miller’s body of work

Has anyone seen where Reagan put that ash bin of history?
24 posted on 02/17/2005 8:47:44 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: blanknoone
Imagine the Massachusetts witch trials if the witches were running Virginia, New York and New Hampshire, and you might have a working allegory.

Did you miss this line?

25 posted on 02/17/2005 8:50:59 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: somerville

That explains it, I didn't think our neighbors to the north spoke like that!

He does seem to have an "Oxbridge" accent, very similar to Hitchens'.


26 posted on 02/17/2005 8:54:19 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: 7thson
Did you miss this line?

Not at all...it is what I object to. The point was never what is going on elsewhere (witches in NY, Commies in Europe) the point was what WAS going on 'here' witches in MA and Commies in our government.

27 posted on 02/17/2005 8:56:59 AM PST by blanknoone (Steyn: "The Dems are all exit and no strategy")
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To: Pokey78

Is there anybody or anything Steyn can't write intelligently about?


28 posted on 02/17/2005 8:59:13 AM PST by Gritty ("Lefties most cherished article of faith; national defence is paranoid and hysterical-Mark Steyn)
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To: Gritty

Nope.


29 posted on 02/17/2005 9:00:10 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Pokey78

bump--Susan Sontag--now Arthur Miller. Oblivion awaits.


30 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:43 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Pokey78

bump


31 posted on 02/17/2005 9:02:17 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Pokey78
Although I mainly agree with Steyn, no difficult chore, I feel compelled to say a few words in Miller's defense. Towards the end of his life Miller repudiated socialism, although admittedly it was a soft repudiation. He said, "There is hardly a week that passes when I don't ask the unanswerable question: what am I now convinced of that will turn out to be ridiculous? And yet one can't forever stand on the shore; at some point, filled with indecision, scepticism, reservation and doubt, you either jump in or concede that life is forever elsewhere." He was clearly referring to his socialist political views.

Miller also visited Cuba only a year or so ago and wrote, in The New York Times, a scathing critique of Castro, with whom he and his group met for hours. He called Castro a long-winded bore trapped in the fantasies of the past, or words to that effect.

Miller's politics changed over time, and he should be accorded some credit for that.

32 posted on 02/17/2005 9:02:43 AM PST by beckett
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To: dead

The Dustin Hoffman performance in that play (as televised) was nothing short of brilliant. But that says much more about the actor than the play. I really don't know why more people know about Mark Steyn. He's like the H.L. Mencken of the 21st century.


33 posted on 02/17/2005 9:08:55 AM PST by katana
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To: beckett
Miller's politics changed over time, and he should be accorded some credit for that.

Sort of like the credit a killer gets for not killing???

34 posted on 02/17/2005 9:10:28 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: blanknoone

It is a shame that some people get stuck on a point and can't see beyond it. Here's the deal. There were no witches in MA nor ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD! There were no witches in the MA government - from the town level to the colony level! There were and still are communists not only in the world but within our own country. That is what Steyn is refering to - it does not matter the communists were in the United States or overseas or everywhere. The fact is they existed and people in power knew so. The other fact is that witches did not exist anywhere so ignorant people were chasing their own demons.


35 posted on 02/17/2005 9:13:01 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: texasbluebell

I hope Mark Steyn isn't regularly reading the comments about his work on FR; his head will swell so big that his accent will come out with an echo!


36 posted on 02/17/2005 9:13:08 AM PST by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: Pokey78
[The Crucible] was a marvellous inspiration to recast the communist ‘hysteria’ of the 1950s as the Salem witch trials of the 1690s. Many people have pointed out the obvious flaw — that there were no witches, whereas there were certainly communists.

Equating the Salem witch trials with congressional hearings into Soviet espionage is ridiculous. For one thing, witnesses before congressional committees have even more rights than do those in a court of law, in that they may invoke the fifth amendment (against self-incrimination) for each question they are asked. The Salem witch trials took place before there even was a fifth amendment, as Giles Corey, one of the defendants, found out--he was killed for refusing to testify.

Although there were no witches at Salem, Miller--and those who characterized the hunt for Russian spies, propagandists, and saboteurs as "witch hunts"--may have inadvertently made a point that witches and Communists do, indeed, have something in common: witches try to manipulate supernatural and cosmic forces (casting spells, turning people into frogs, etc.), whereas Communists claim to be manipulating social and historical forces to bring on the dictatorship of the proletariat, the withering away of the state, a classless society in which the New Soviet Man flourishes, etc.

37 posted on 02/17/2005 9:19:43 AM PST by Taft in '52
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To: 7thson
It is a shame that some people get stuck on a point and can't see beyond it.

Let me ask you this...why did Miller write the Crucible? Was it to announce that there were no Commies in Europe? Or was it to alienate those pursuing the very real communists in Washington?

it does not matter the communists were in the United States or overseas or everywhere.

I would argue that it does matter. Very much. As a matter of fact, I think I could even make a point about people not seeing the point.

38 posted on 02/17/2005 9:20:06 AM PST by blanknoone (Steyn: "The Dems are all exit and no strategy")
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To: Pokey78; All
A Conference in New York

In March 1949, New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel played host to one of the strangest gatherings in American history. Less than four years after Allied troops had liberated Hitler's concentration camps, 800 prominent literary and artistic figures congregated in the Waldorf to call for peace at any price with Stalin, whose own gulag had just been restocked with victims of his latest purge. Americans, including Lillian Hellman, Aaron Copland, Arthur Miller, and a young Norman Mailer, joined with European and Soviet delegates to repudiate "US warmongering." Russian composer Dmitri Shostakovich told the delegates that "a small clique of hatemongers" was preparing a global conflagration; he urged progressive artists to struggle against the new "Fascists'' who were seeking world domination. American panelists echoed the Russian composer's fear of a new conflict. Playwright Clifford Odets denounced the ``enemies of Man'' and claimed the United States had been agitated into ``a state of holy terror'' by fraudulent reports of Soviet aggression; composer Copland declared "the present policies of the American Government will lead inevitably into a third world war."

The Waldorf conference marked another step in the Communist Information Bureau's (Cominform) campaign to shape Western opinion. A series of Soviet-sponsored cultural conferences beginning in September 1948 called for world peace and denounced the policies of the Truman administration. The conference at the Waldorf-Astoria, however, was the first to convene in a Western country and, not coincidentally, was also the first to meet organized and articulate opposition.

The Cominform could hardly have picked a riskier place than New York City to stage a Stalinist peace conference. New York's large ethnic neighborhoods were filled with refugees from Communism, and its campuses and numerous cultural and political journals employed hundreds of politically left-leaning men and women who had fought in the ideological struggles over Stalinism that divided American labor unions, college faculties, and cultural organizations before World War II.

Stealing the Show

A handful of liberal and socialist writers, led by philosophy professor Sydney Hook, saw their chance to steal a little of the publicity expected for the Waldorf peace conference. A fierce ex-Communist himself, Hook was then teaching at New York University and editing a socialist magazine called The New Leader. Ten years earlier he and his mentor John Dewey had founded a controversial group called the Committee for Cultural Freedom, which attacked both Communism and Nazism. He now organized a similar committee to harass the peace conference in the Waldorf-Astoria.

39 posted on 02/17/2005 9:22:11 AM PST by aculeus
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To: dead

To people like my 85 year old father (whose father lost everything in the Depression), "Death of a Salesmen" speaks to him like no other play. It is an extremely hard-hitting piece of theatre.

The Crucible will last long after people have forgotten about "McCarthyism." Why? 'Cause it's a crackling good play about a very interesting time in our history.

No sense of humor? Read or see "The Price." Or think back on Miller's talk show appearances when he was always good for a funny anecdote.

One aside, as an essayist he was horrible. Not an original thought in his head, apparently. Sent me scurrying back to Gore Vidal.


40 posted on 02/17/2005 9:23:19 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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