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Vatican Cardinal Ends Debate: No Communion for Pro-Abortion Politicians or Rainbow Sashers
Life Site News.net ^ | 02.06.05

Posted on 02/16/2005 5:40:24 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Coleus; Aquinasfan; NYer; Cicero; 1stFreedom; Straight Vermonter
I heard the interview the other day, and now I read the transcript. I am not impressed. The Cardinal's answers on both pro-abortion politicians and the rainbow sash folk were really evasive.
"Do you need any Cardinal from the Vatican to answer that?"

"ask the children for First Communion, they'll give you the answer.”

"These rainbow sash people, are they really saying we are homosexuals, we intend to remain so and we want to receive Holy Communion"

-- are answers in the form of a question. This is a technique that avoids being quoted and perpetuates the ambiguity.
41 posted on 02/16/2005 8:01:18 PM PST by annalex
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42 posted on 02/16/2005 8:18:27 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya! Kill babies, Save the Bears!!)
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To: annalex; All

As I said, when I asked the Cardinal some challenging questions a decade ago, he was very evasive. It seems that he has simply refined his evasion techniques.

I hope he is not the next Pope.


43 posted on 02/16/2005 8:34:29 PM PST by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: 1stFreedom
He hemmed and hawed and basically gave a flimsy answer.

Even in this interview he said communion should be denied to politicians who express support for abortion, but he said it in such a way that leaves a huge loophole. Read his statement carefully and you will realize that no Catholic liberal politician would necessarily fall under his prohibition, for no Catholic liberal politician will admit or is ever likely to admit that he favors the death of the innocent inborn. Catholic liberal politicians invariably claim to personally disapprove of abortion, but lament that they cannot make that decision for others.

It sounds hypocritical, but that's exactly the position they take.

44 posted on 02/16/2005 8:36:43 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: GretchenM
So glad they rushed this out in time for it to be decisive in the 2004 presidential campaign.

The Catholic Church does not take its cues based on the American political calender.

45 posted on 02/16/2005 8:37:04 PM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: Aquinasfan; All

The Cardinal is evasive. He will not address the discipline problem the Church has had under JPII.

(I love JPII, but the next pope needs to focus on cleaning house.)

Evasion is not a straighforward approach. It's a diplomatic approach. This isn't the UN, it's the deposit of faith. Make him the Vatican representative to the UN, but not the Pope.


46 posted on 02/16/2005 8:38:24 PM PST by 1stFreedom (1)
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47 posted on 02/16/2005 8:41:33 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin' out over the line)
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To: 1stFreedom

Nor can it be just a misplaced jocular tone. On other questions he had very clear answers. For example, in the same interview he gave a very detailed answer on the use of Latin in mass; it was very clear that he was making sure he was not misinterpreted and he spoke in declarative sentences.


48 posted on 02/16/2005 8:43:06 PM PST by annalex
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To: Coleus
Good. I'd say Cardinal Arinze was perfectly CLEAR.

I wonder if it is NOW clear with Archbishop Flynn.

49 posted on 02/16/2005 8:48:12 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Coleus

Sorry- after the scandals that have occured in the Catholic church in recent years, I can no longer see them as pillars of virtue. Lost a ton of respect for them that can not be brought back.


50 posted on 02/16/2005 8:52:30 PM PST by richmwill
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To: TAdams8591

Flynn and Pilla and McCarrick and Mahoney and the others, sadly, will continue their own way...because this is where they want to be. And there really isn't anybody on earth flexing authority at this time that can haul them into line.

But this isn't the first time in history that there have been rebellious bishops.

Still, it is sad.


51 posted on 02/16/2005 8:56:08 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Agreed. It is sad and TRAGIC.


52 posted on 02/16/2005 8:57:25 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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Ping.


53 posted on 02/16/2005 9:10:31 PM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: NYer

Cick the following and listen to Cardinal Arinze. He covers many topics and pulls no punches.

http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/latestadditions/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-6892288&fldSeriesName=The+World+Over


54 posted on 02/16/2005 9:12:13 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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55 posted on 02/16/2005 9:25:11 PM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Barnacle
The Catholic Church does not take its cues based on the American political calender.

Au contraire, mon frere. The Church specifically sat on this issue because of the political election. It is pretty well known that the heirarchy cozies up to the democratic party.

56 posted on 02/16/2005 9:42:35 PM PST by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: Coleus

This guy is a day late and a dollar short. WHy couldn't he have said this during the election?


57 posted on 02/16/2005 9:44:14 PM PST by bonfire
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To: bonfire
A Cardinal Arinze-Georgetown-homosexuality followup in Rome
 
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58 posted on 02/16/2005 9:52:17 PM PST by Coleus (Brooke Shields aborted how many children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: Coleus

Thanks! I stand corrected!


59 posted on 02/16/2005 9:54:06 PM PST by bonfire
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To: TradicalRC
It is pretty well known that the heirarchy cozies up to the democratic party.

We're talking about the Vatican here, not some radical American Bishop.

60 posted on 02/16/2005 10:08:38 PM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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