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A Zealous Prosecutor of Drug Criminals Becomes One Himself
New York Times ^
| February 14, 2005
| RALPH BLUMENTHAL
Posted on 02/16/2005 10:37:03 AM PST by Scenic Sounds
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To: ClintonBeGone
I don't know what you're upset about. The most serious charges against this guy were dropped, and I'm sure he'll get a slap on the wrist for the gun charge. The system is working perfectly, protecting its own.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:13:08 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: thoughtomator
However, it would be divine justice to see him killed in jail by some of the drug users he put there. 99 years for using a drug, that's not justice, that's fascism.
I'm sure many here appreciate your violent suggestion. I would disagree. I hope he gets a nice cushy jail cell. Regardless of his own lawbreaking, he's help society a great deal by taking scum off the street and putting them behind bars until they die. I wish all prosecutors were as aggressive.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:14:03 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
To: coloradan
Pro-drug and pro-freedom are not the same thing.
I agree. What we need is a country free of drugs, drugs users, drug pushers and legalization advocates. That is freedom.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:15:22 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
To: ClintonBeGone
Ends justify the means, eh? Ha! So much for the moral high ground. My hats off to you for being so honest about it.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:15:32 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: ClintonBeGone
...he's help society a great deal by taking scum off the street and putting them behind bars until they die. But by this very definition of "scum" (drug users), he himself is one - so we agree, that it would be justice to see him die in jail.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:15:46 AM PST
by
thoughtomator
(If Islam is a religion, so is Liberal!)
To: ClintonBeGone
Thats ok, there are still plenty of sane folks around to take on the pro-druggies. One of the other FReepers you pinged is an admitted marijuana user.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:15:50 AM PST
by
jmc813
(Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
To: Scenic Sounds
Seems Pampa is hard on prosecutors. The County Attorney there, Todd Alvey, resigned about 18 months ago after questions came up about money missing from his hot check collection account.
What I want to know is: Is it easier ir harder to buy meth when you are the DA? I mean our locals usually know the DA, at least the ones who are professional enough to run meth labs.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:16:16 AM PST
by
Pilsner
To: jmc813
One of the other FReepers you pinged is an admitted marijuana user.
That doesn't make him insane. What makes one insane is advocating for legalization of drugs.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:17:16 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
To: ClintonBeGone
That doesn't make him insane. What makes one insane is advocating for legalization of drugs.So one who smokes pot but thinks it should stay illegal is okay, while a non-drug user who opposes the drug war (such as the owner of this forum) is insane. Do I have that right?
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:19:03 AM PST
by
jmc813
(Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
To: ClintonBeGone
I hope he gets a nice cushy jail cell. Regardless of his own lawbreaking, he's help society a great deal by taking scum off the street and putting them behind bars until they die. I wish all prosecutors were as aggressive.Well, here's Mr. Roach's take on this:
"If I'm ever a prosecutor again, which will never happen," he said, "I would be much less Rambo-ish and more compassionate in the way I handle an offense, particularly for users."
I'm hoping that people can learn something from this article and from Mr. Roach's experience. Of course, everyone is different, but injecting drugs in front of employees can in some cases be an early warning sign of a problem that is worthy of attention.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:20:43 AM PST
by
Scenic Sounds
(Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
To: jmc813
So one who smokes pot but thinks it should stay illegal is okay,
What it shows is someone willing to take the penalty for their illegal behavior. Unfortunately, the pro-druggies (like yourself) simply want to avoid consequences and end up crawling in bed with the most despicable members of this society - drug dealers who try to get kids hooked on drugs.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:21:42 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
To: thoughtomator
However, it would be divine justice to see him killed in jail by some of the drug users he put there. 99 years for using a drug, that's not justice, that's fascism. Sentences of these lengths indicate more than mere drug usage by the defendants. These are first degree felonies such as the manufacture or delivery of drugs, or the possession of significant amounts of drug (more than 200 grams of cocaine or methamphetamine or more than 50 pounds of marijuana).
Personal usage amounts of drugs (other than marijuana) are State Jail or 4th degree felonies with a maximum punishment of two years. Possession of a personal usage amount of marijuana (less than four ounces) is a misdemeanor.
That said, I hope the court "throws the book" at this prosecutor. What a hypocrite!
To: Scenic Sounds
I'm hoping that people can learn something from this article and from Mr. Roach's experience. Of course, everyone is different, but injecting drugs in front of employees can in some cases be an early warning sign of a problem that is worthy of attention.
Yes, rather than exterminating the problem, we need to have more comPASSSSSSSION for the dopers. That's healthy for America.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:22:47 AM PST
by
ClintonBeGone
(In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
To: thoughtomator
"*Disclaimer - this is not an endorsement of vigilantism
However, it would be divine justice to see him killed in jail by some of the drug users he put there. 99 years for using a drug, that's not justice, that's fascism."
I couldn't agree more. I am not endorsing vigilantism either, but it would be a reap what you sow situation.
It's NOT justice.. it IS fascism, but that's all the WOD is anwyay. A fascist scam designed to make criminals and corrupt officials fabulously wealthy and powerfull at the expense of sick addicts.
Bones
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:23:14 AM PST
by
Bones75
To: Scenic Sounds
Mr. Roach?
MR. ROACH?
MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:23:19 AM PST
by
eno_
(Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
To: ClintonBeGone
"Yes, rather than exterminating the problem, we need to have more comPASSSSSSSION for the dopers. That's healthy for America."
You don't have to have compassion, you just don't have the right to put them in jail. There's a difference.
Bones
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:24:23 AM PST
by
Bones75
To: writmeister
That said, I hope the court "throws the book" at this prosecutor. What a hypocrite! They've already dropped the most serious charges (possession with intent to distribute). Only a gun charge was levied.
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:24:53 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: ClintonBeGone
I'm not "pro-druggie", I'm pro-Constitution. You Arnold Republicans might not realize it, but there is no Constitutional justification for a federal drug war. Do you consider JimRob to be a "pro-druggie" since he opposes the federal Drug War?
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:25:57 AM PST
by
jmc813
(Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
To: Scenic Sounds
Of course, everyone is different, but injecting drugs in front of employees can in some cases be an early warning sign of a problem that is worthy of attention.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say in every case injecting drugs in front of an employee is the sign of a problem. In addition, if the FBI and DEA wire an employee, there might be a problem in the office.
To: Wolfie
You'd figure he'd get charged for making off with police evidence... that's where he was getting his supply, right? From drug seizures?
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posted on
02/16/2005 11:26:53 AM PST
by
thoughtomator
(If Islam is a religion, so is Liberal!)
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