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Toll to drive downtown? (San Francisco)
San Francisco Examiner ^ | 2/15/05 | Justin Nyberg

Posted on 02/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by Alissa

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To: scory; SF Republican

but that stuff happens in EVERY big city....I grew up in the Bay Area and worked at Charles Schwab right there on Montgomery. I have never been accosted there day or night and in fact, I've lived in San Diego for 5 years and was hit on my gay men many more times than in SF.....but you do have a point about the homeless bums who pan handle...that is disgusting.......got confirmed at Grace Cathedral..never personally saw any problems in that area.....too many tourists usually


61 posted on 02/15/2005 6:12:58 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"I see you're spamming your total BS again. Are you by chance Willie Green?"

No clue who Willie Green is (and certainly not me). But since you accuse me of spamming - I guess that I must give others here a quick rundown on the punishment that Cintra (the company that you contine to defend) is inflicting on Canadians - all because a stupid Provincial Premier signed over a state-owned toll road in a 99 YEAR CONTRACT to Cintra.

For others new to our friendly Texas debate - have a look at what's in store if our demented governor gets his way:

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(3) Speaking of Canada. Cintra now charges cars 19.5 US cents per mile if they have a transponder, and 23 US cents per mile (or more) if the do not have a transponder (these are peak rates, non-peak rates are about 1 cent less). Large Trucks are now charged 58 US cents per mile (peak) and 52 US cents per mile (non-peak). For the length of the highway, this is the highest toll rate in North America, and possibly the world. Cintra has won court rulings assuring them the right to continue raising tolls at will, and there NOTHING Canada can do to stop them for the next 95 years or so. Will trucks in Texas use Cintra’s toll road? It’s hard to see how, considering that the toll will be higher than many of the drivers make in the first place. These are the rates (in Canadian cents per kilometer) that Cintra charges in Canada, bottom half of this web page:
http://www.407etr.com/tolls/tolls.asp
62 posted on 02/15/2005 6:14:52 PM PST by BobL
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To: Drango; SF Republican

wow,......I"ve never had problems in the city...where in Walnut Creek are you?.....I live in Antioch now but lived in Walnut Creek for several years......still work out at the Pinnacle Fitness near the Post Office on Broadway. Many people don't know that Walnut Creek has about the finest restaurants outside of SF in many areas.....sorry you feel terrorized in the city.....lived here most of my life except for 10 years and have had nothing but fun in SF, even walking alone on Market near the Embarcadero at night


63 posted on 02/15/2005 6:16:52 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Alissa

My question is - what is the city going to do about the reduced revenue from the businesses which will be affected by this "toll" and the reduced traffic.


64 posted on 02/15/2005 6:30:07 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: SF Republican
I live and work in San Francisco, it is a great town. I have never been accosted by a homeless person. I have never been "hit on" by a gay, never have heard a gunshot

Then you've missed the best things about SF. I lived there off and on for 4-6 weeks at a time during the 70's while training for fed gov work. I was constantly accosted by homeless people, hit on by gays and transvestites, and was standing about 100 feet away from a Weatherman bomb when it went off in a gov't building at 1:00 AM. And all this while being a white guy (still white, but you know what I mean) when the Zebra killers were on the loose. Talk about fun!! You just haven't lived.

65 posted on 02/15/2005 6:30:39 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: NorCalRepub
liberals are running around the streets killing and infecting everyone

LOL, I think most people think that you are bombarded with leftist politics everywhere you go around here. The fact is, that most of that crap is relegated to the Civic Center, Castro, Market, Haight and places like that. Generally, I find that the population as a whole is apolitical, or moderate left at the most.

There's nothing that I enjoy more than just walking around North Beach or Chinatown after hours, smoking' a cigar, and just enjoying life. All in all, it's a beautiful city when you get away from Market St. and the Tenderloin. There's never a lack of things to do...
66 posted on 02/15/2005 6:31:42 PM PST by Citizen James (Live Better, Work Harder)
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To: Citizen James

yes exactly........I never defend the politics of SF or the Boxer's and Pelosi's of the world but I get in arguments all the time with out of staters who have no clue....mostly from Texas. It is a beautiful city and like you said, for the most part you wouldn't even know you are in a lib city unless in the Castro of Civic Center.......too bad it get's such bad press that most have no clue as to the great attraction it is........


67 posted on 02/15/2005 6:35:10 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Baynative

What about signing out a Taser to you, that you could use to shoot aggressive panhandlers?


69 posted on 02/15/2005 6:51:32 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Alissa

Great. More ways for SF to take your money. Granted, SF does have a ton of traffic, and from my experience, driving in SF is not fun (my sister works in SF. She uses BART to get there). Still, that doesn't mean there should be a toll to drive. I mean, what if you live in SF and own a car (like my uncles)? Also, I have an uncle that owns a car shop. What about his business?

If this passes, looks like we might have to skip cousins who live in SF when the annual Christmas Party (when they host it) when come around. Pay for all those gifts, and then hit by a toll in SF for driving to their house. Woohoo.


70 posted on 02/15/2005 6:54:16 PM PST by Simmy2.5 (DUmmies in mourning. World is a better place.)
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To: NorCalRepub

Since they started building all those Asian mallish type development in San Jose/Cupertino/Milpitas area, we rarely go to the City anymore. Still, with the few times that I have been to the City, my experience haven't been that bad. The worse might have been that one time when my family and I went to see the musical "Miss Saigon" where, in the parking garage near City Hall (wonderful looking building BTW), there were two homeless people making out in the stairs (they might be doing something else too, but I don't want to go there). Other then that, I had a wonderful in the City.

Still, I do believe the politics in the city stink (and sadly, so does the streets due to the homeless problem that, according to Gavin, has been reduced). But otherwise, it is a great city.


71 posted on 02/15/2005 7:03:21 PM PST by Simmy2.5 (DUmmies in mourning. World is a better place.)
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To: Simmy2.5
City Hall (wonderful looking building BTW)


Most folks don't know that City Hall Dome was modeled after St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican.

Let's hope they don't remodel it to look like this:

72 posted on 02/15/2005 7:28:33 PM PST by Citizen James (Live Better, Work Harder)
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To: CyberAnt

Aha, it is indeed a never-ending cycle. Local radio is already reporting leaks and rumors that this tax is suddenly being floated because polls already conducted by the city on the notorious 17c-per-bag grocery "fee" will make the majority of people drive out of their way to supermarkets outside the SF city limits.

But, you say, if nobody would be using and littering those grocery bags in SF, then that solves their stated problem of having to pay for recycling &c, and they wouldn't need this new tax, eh? Oops, maybe, just maybe, they were not entirely honest and accurate with their stated reason for the bag tax, eh?


74 posted on 02/15/2005 7:33:18 PM PST by jiggyboy
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To: jiggyboy

Funny. It appears that San Franciscians ARE getting tired of all the tax. They recently voted down the other taxes that Gavin (the 'centrist' mayor) put on the ballot. Now, the grocery bag tax, well, heres a tax that DOES HURT THE POOR (after all, who is hurt by a 17 cent tax fee more? Rich who could afford it, or the poor, who can't? IDIOTS!)! Too bad they keep electing the tax increasers though.


76 posted on 02/15/2005 7:35:58 PM PST by Simmy2.5 (DUmmies in mourning. World is a better place.)
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To: Owl_Eagle; Sam's Army
Would we be allowed to use the .50 cal sniper rifle that the Dims are all a'twitter about?

Absolutely! Especially with an extra large clip, flash suppressor, and any other scary looking attachment that does little else besides scare bed-wetting liberals. Although fear tends to sour the taste of their meat.

Well, the advantage of the .50 cal sniper rifle is that they would have no opportunity to register any fear. It would be over before they heard the shot. But of course, given the sheer distance from our perch to the point-of-contact, opportunists will have ample time to bag our prey and make off with it. We'll have to go in packs so our spotters/retrievers can take care of the gutting, cleaning, dressing, and transporting of the trophy carcass before any glad-handers grab it and run off. Off course, we'll need an SUV nearby to throw it in and carry our equipment, so I'm recommending a camoflauged Humvee covered in "Goldwater/Reagan/Bush: In your heart, you known they're right!" bumper stickers with gun racks visibly adorning the rear and side windows.

77 posted on 02/16/2005 6:41:20 AM PST by HenryLeeII (Democrats have helped kill more Americans than the Soviets and Nazis combined!)
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To: Owl_Eagle; Sam's Army

Oops, forgot: Do you think Ted Nugent would have any interest in developing this as a reality show?


78 posted on 02/16/2005 6:42:46 AM PST by HenryLeeII (Democrats have helped kill more Americans than the Soviets and Nazis combined!)
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To: Citizen James
The Board of Stupidvisors is doing EVERYTHING they can to ruin this city. Businesses are running out the door and they bring up this garbage.

The SF Examiner asked for comments. I already wrote mine!

By mail:
Letters to the Editor
450 Mission Street
San Francisco, CA 94105

By email:
letters@examiner.com

79 posted on 02/16/2005 6:50:02 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave Barry)
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