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Gays Debate Radical Steps to Curb Unsafe Sex
New York Times ^ | Feb. 15, 2005 | ANDREW JACOBS

Posted on 02/15/2005 8:29:02 AM PST by Jimmyclyde

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To: Jimmyclyde

You know ... years ago stopping the spread of AIDS was a priority for me. I was not too concerned about what happened to the gays who persisted in having unsafe sex, but I cared a lot about the taxpayers who had to take care of these people for years while AIDS slowly killed them. It was a very expensive deal. But this new improved version of AIDS sounds like it is quicker and therefore will be a less of a burden for taxpayers. AIDS is easily preventable and if these people won't take the steps to protect themselves, why should the taxpayers care what happens to them?


41 posted on 02/15/2005 9:16:24 AM PST by jackbenimble
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To: Jimmyclyde
As long as they are more afraid of giving up something they consider a critical part of their lifestyle than they are of contracting the virus, nothing will change. All this talk in the article about "fear" isn't a fear of getting AIDS - it's a fear of no longer being able to engage in the hideously dangerous practices they prefer.

It's as if the government is supposed to indemnify them against the consequences of their behavior, and it's all Bush's fault because he can't. ;)

42 posted on 02/15/2005 9:18:52 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: viaveritasvita

Hatemonger! Homophobe! Intolerant!


43 posted on 02/15/2005 9:18:53 AM PST by Guillermo (Abajo fidel: End the Cuban Embargo)
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To: Jimmyclyde
Funny how positions change over time.

I don't care.

Have your bath houses, in fact have a thousand bath houses...........I don't care.

The Final Solution awaits you.

44 posted on 02/15/2005 9:19:10 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Jimmyclyde
A word to the wise is sufficient:

Sodomy (and other vile "gay" sexual practices) is a filthy, disgusting, grotesque practice that spreads disease.

I pray that the practitioners of this lifestyle are wise enough to abandon it.
45 posted on 02/15/2005 9:24:47 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc sign, vinces †)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; Alberta's Child
For years it has been dogma that we can't treat AIDS like every other sexually transmitted disease with proven public health techniques because that would be "homophobic." For heaven's sake they won't even admit that people with AIDS have AIDS until the end stages of the disease. Maybe now, finally, the lunkheads are starting to get it.
46 posted on 02/15/2005 9:41:27 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Jimmyclyde
You have to remember that was the era when Jesse Helms and others were saying that gay people got what they deserved, and that the government shouldn't spend any money to help them

I always did like Jesse a lot, particularly when he'd whistle "Dixie" next to Carol Mosley Braun in an elevator.

47 posted on 02/15/2005 9:43:47 AM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: Guillermo

ROFLOL!

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48 posted on 02/15/2005 9:47:36 AM PST by viaveritasvita (WHO ARE YOU FOLLOWING? UPON WHAT AUTHORITY DOES HE/SHE SPEAK? DOES HE/SHE SPEAK THE TRUTH? R U SURE?)
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To: littlelilac

Gee, I'm married and my wife and I are both committed to each other.

That's MY solution for not having to worry too much about contracting aids, or any othet STD for that matter.

What a novel concept.


49 posted on 02/15/2005 9:57:04 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: littlelilac
"...and be interesting to see what the AIDs stats are for heteros in the US"

This much I do know: heterosexual men do not get AIDS.

The CDC considers the "infection" rate of heterosexual men as "statistically insignificant."

Intuitivally, we all know this to be true.

Heterosexual men still frequent prostitutes. This was going to be the "path" for AIDS to jump to heterosexual men.

Never happened.

In the US, 98% of AIDS cases are homosexual men. The remaining 2% are black women and hemopheliacs(sp).

50 posted on 02/15/2005 10:04:17 AM PST by tahiti
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To: littlelilac

Sounds like you might have a bad case of "cabin fever" from residing in a "Log Cabin"?


51 posted on 02/15/2005 10:14:27 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: Jimmyclyde
Maybe if they hadn't worked so hard to make AIDS a civil rights issue that trumped tracking down the source of infections, they wouldn't be here. They got complacent because the AIDS drugs were letting many gays live comfortable lives with the disease. But diseases have a way of eventually finding their way around treatments.
52 posted on 02/15/2005 11:56:40 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Jimmyclyde

When I read the headline, I thought they were all going to chop off Mr. Johnson.


53 posted on 02/15/2005 12:06:56 PM PST by Beckwith (I know Churchill, and Ward Churchill is no Churchill . . . he ain't an Indian either . . .)
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To: cspackler

bravo to you, that is how it should be, but we seem to be amongst a generation, hetero and homo, where hedonism is the rule, they didn't call the Baby Boomers the ME generation for nothing, we call them the left wing of the DNC now, LOL....

fortunate for me, I was raised in a conservative household in the first place, I didn't have parents smoking pot and having key parties in the 1970's


54 posted on 02/15/2005 12:12:32 PM PST by littlelilac
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To: Lurking2Long

let's check some stats here, because I think IV drug use is also being dismissed here....

this doesn't delineate sexual preference or transmission

HIV/AIDS in North America
Adults age 15-49 with HIV/AIDS, 2003 990,000

New HIV infections, 2004 44,000

Adult HIV prevalence (%), 2004 0.6

Women age 15-49 with HIV/AIDS, 2004 260,000

Children with HIV/AIDS, 2003 11,000

AIDS deaths, 2004 16,000
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/global?page=cr07-00-00

more kids than I would have anticipated for North America, how sad......if those stats are accurate, 25 per cent of AIDS/HIV cases in North America are indeed female.......hmmmm

let me try another source

AIDS ReSearch Alliance, Women and the HIV/AIDS Epidemic

HIV/AIDS is one of the most urgent health issues facing women today. Women are the fastest rising HIV infection group in the United States and AIDS is the 5th leading cause of death of U.S. women. Globally, women account for 40% of all AIDS cases.

http://www.aidsresearch.org/

hmmm, no specific stats on the US.....oh now this is funny, this is from a dentist's website, because I guess AIDS is an occupational hazard:

During the 1990s, the epidemic shifted steadily toward a growing proportion of AIDS cases among black people, Hispanics and women, and toward a decreasing proportion in MSM (men having sex with men), although this group remains the largest single exposure group. Blacks and Hispanics have been disproportionately affected since the early years of the epidemic. In absolute numbers, blacks have outnumbered whites in new AIDS diagnoses and deaths since 1996, and in the number of people living with AIDS since 1998. In 2003, blacks accounted for 50% of all HIV/AIDS cases diagnosed

The most recent statistics available concerning the AIDS epidemic can be found by clicking here and here. The pie chart on the top shows the proportion of cases of HIV transmitted in either direction between men and women since the beginning of the epidemic in 1981. The chart on the bottom shows the same data for 2003. A comparison of the two charts is useful to see how the epidemiology of this disease has evolved over the years. Since the acute phase of the epidemic is now over and the data has settled down to nearly a flat line since about 1998, we can probably expect the proportion of heterosexual transmission to all other combined means of transmission to remain about the same as that in the lower chart. The "other means" figure is composed mostly of MSM (men having sex with men) plus IDU (Intravenous Drug Users). Over the course of the entire epidemic, slightly over half of the AIDS diagnoses in women were due to sexual relations with men, the remainder being due to intravenous drug abuse and unknown causes. As of 2003, however, (hetero)sexual intercourse has grown in importance to become the leading cause of AIDS in women by a ratio of approximately 5 to 1.

Now the dentist here relies on this for his stats:
http://www.avert.org/statindx.htm

who get their numbers from the CDC, well that's a pretty reliable source:

People living with AIDS
At the end of 2003, the CDC estimates that 405,926 persons were living with AIDS in the USA.

Of these,

36% were white
42% were black
20% were Hispanic
2% were of other race/ethnicity.

Of the adults and adolescents with AIDS, 77% were men. Of these men,

58% were men who had sex with men (MSM)
22% were injection drug users (IDU)
11% were exposed through heterosexual contact
8% were both MSM and IDU.

Of the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS,

63% were exposed through heterosexual contact
35% were exposed through injection drug use.

An estimated 1,998 children were living with AIDS at the end of 2003
http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

Now the first numbers I quoted include carriers of the virus I guess and not just with full blown AIDS....yep from the CDC figures, about 22% of AIDS cases are female...not 2 per cent and if we take the CDC numbers on transmission, yeah about 66 per cent is from a combination of gay sex and IV drug use, the rest is from IV drugs and heterosexual contact or 34 per cent - not numbers to dismiss though yes the high risk group is self evident.....


55 posted on 02/15/2005 12:52:12 PM PST by littlelilac
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To: Jimmyclyde
One of the tenets of liberism: victimhood is noble and should be celebrated.

Another tenet: the more people do something bad, the less bad it becomes.

There are people who want the AIDS virus to spread. I see no realistic way of checking it as long as that remains the case.

56 posted on 02/15/2005 3:38:20 PM PST by supercat (Better to have egg on one's face than blood on one's hands.)
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