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To: nopardons
It is a historical fact, that businesses in America have ALWAYS gone for the bottom dollar,and yes,thrown out people,brought others in,and paid them less

Within the market, yep. You're absolutely right. It isn't until recently that they've stood on other shores while undercutting their own countrie's workers competing against them and subverting them with overseas labor using dumping both in goods price and in wage price across the board.

What is happening now is treason. You might want to polish up on what treason is by definition beyond what I've posted here and maybe even get a historical perspective. It is not limited to acts of overt warfare or spying. You might compare it with sedition. But, I'd suggest many have gotten so used to doing what they dangwell please without concern for their fellow Americans that such considerations as sedition and treason largely do not either ocurr or matter till it's a spy, then hang 'em high. Intent is immaterial.

481 posted on 02/15/2005 8:01:02 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: Havoc
There have been American companies with global reach for at least 100 years.If you want to go back to the beginnings of our nation, premanufacturing,we traded with foreign nations,but were the least advanced;so it wasn't applicable.

You might want to look up the word treason again,but this time,get someone to explain what the words actually mean.And I see that you don't understand what sedition means either.

It really doesn't help you,really it doesn't,for you to continually write such posts,month after month,year after after year,when the facts contradict you.I have refuted you so many times,that it is quite ennui inducing to keep writing the same facts over and over again.I only do it,so that the lurkers will get to see the facts and not just your emotional,ill educated screeds.

But,for any newbie lurkers,here are some historical facts from "THE GOOD OLD DAYS- THEY WERE TERRIBLE",by Otto L. Bettmann...

"To most workers,the miseries of employment were more acceptable than the alternatives:unemployment.Layoff- a constantthreat-meant ruin,and the bands of tramps that menaced the countryside during the 1870s included descent men who were merely jobless and in despair.The crisis year of 1877 saw an estimated two and a quarter to three million men unemployed.In the depression of 1893-1898 the total was four million-almost one out of every five workers."

If a person was injured on the job (those who worked in coal mines, steel mills,the railroad,sweatshops et al),they lost their jobs.

"Between 1881 and 1900 American labor staged 2378 strikes involving six million workers." These men struck when profits rose,but their wages fell. And guess what? It did not help the workers...the courts ruled against them every time and the nation,as a whole,saw the strikers are Commies band were put down by the police,who gained MORE power in putting down the strikers!

You try to talk about what it was like when Washington and Jefferson were alive,but that has no relevance at all.Try learning the historical facts from the time it does matter! Nothing has changed all that much;except that it is actually better now.

506 posted on 02/15/2005 8:49:31 PM PST by nopardons
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