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To: Havoc
"And yes, your free trade junk is responsible."

OK it is hard to follow so again I ask for clarification is the above answer a YES, to the question listed here: "You are saying that outsourcing has caused our emplyoment numbers to worsen due to the dropping of tariffs with the NAFTA agreement correct?"

447 posted on 02/15/2005 7:17:06 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg

MD -- FYI, have you seen the new book on China? Front page review in NYT today.


448 posted on 02/15/2005 7:18:22 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Mad Dawgg; Havoc; Continental Op

"What's the Truth?!"
(To be sung to Johnny Cash's "What is Truth?")

Rush Limbaugh's talkin' on the Rad-ee-oh...
Sayin', "Where did our sense of Justice go?
Slick sure seems to be inventin' new ways...
Of keepin' the Truth from gettin' airplay!!"
Said, "They're crooks, you see, and their motives're Vile!!"
Still, the Medyuh says, "Bill's OUR Flower Child!!"
Country, can't you see thru these Lyin' Boys?
We gotta FIGHT to be heard o'er their LeftWing Noise!!
While the Lonely Voice of Youth cries..."What's the Truth?!"

My little boy of five, playin' in the yard,
Looks up and says, "Daddy, who's Ken Starr?" [yeah, it's an old song, circa 4/99...I'll fix it.]
"Son, he's trackin' bad men who Cheat and Lie!!"
Little man of five says, "Slick Ain't Right!!"
Young men of seventeen killin' kids at school,
As Courts outlaw the Golden Rule...
No prayer in school, teachers puttin' Faith down,
While Slick Willie jokes, "Let's pass a Joint aroun'!"
Can you blame the Voice of Youth fer askin' "What's the Truth?!"

EX-Prez'dent's sittin' on the Witness Stand,
The man with the Book says, "Raise yer hand...
Repeat after me, 'I solemnly swear...' "
Yet the Nation said, "We just don't care."
'Cuz although Clinton solemnly swore,
Nobody really trusted Slick no more.
Culture's got so sleazy that America's unaware...
That EX-Prez'dent sold China missiles that're aimed at Bel Air!!
Still the RightWing's called uncouth fer askin', "What's the Truth?!"

Young girl internin' with the White House Sleaze...
Doin' Bill's job while on her knees!!
FReepers protest in the Public Square,
While fightin' 'gainst this Lib'ral Nightmare!!
Yeah, these young'uns that yer callin' "WILD"...
Are gonna be yer Leaders in a little while!!
The Whole World's Wakin' to FReedom today,
And I solemnly swear that it'll be OUR way!!
We gotta help our Voiceless Youth find, "What is True?!"
'Cuz the future needs more Youth askin', "What's the Truth?!!"

A little Johnny Cash never hurt anyone...MUD


449 posted on 02/15/2005 7:18:52 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Decrease the Federal Expenditures as a percentage of GDP from its present 20% to 12% by 2013!!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I think I specifically said offshoring - not outsourcing. Outsourcing is moving business to another market to produce for that market with employees in that market and under that market's rules. Offshoring is evading a market's rules/laws and workforce while going to another market to produce with their labor and reimport to the original market to try and outdo the home market for profit. And Offshoring is what I credited with nafta/free trade/WTO nonsense. Perhaps I missed defining my terms or you missed it. I've been in too many discussions today here and elsewhere on this, so I'll assume the failure was mine.


457 posted on 02/15/2005 7:27:33 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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