Posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw
Within the market, yep. You're absolutely right. It isn't until recently that they've stood on other shores while undercutting their own countrie's workers competing against them and subverting them with overseas labor using dumping both in goods price and in wage price across the board.
What is happening now is treason. You might want to polish up on what treason is by definition beyond what I've posted here and maybe even get a historical perspective. It is not limited to acts of overt warfare or spying. You might compare it with sedition. But, I'd suggest many have gotten so used to doing what they dangwell please without concern for their fellow Americans that such considerations as sedition and treason largely do not either ocurr or matter till it's a spy, then hang 'em high. Intent is immaterial.
School lunch programs. I'm old enough to remember "hungry kids." After they were instituted there were no more hungry kids in my school.
breach of allegiance, aid and comfort, subversion. Yep, still got no evident problems there. Adherence to the enemy is pretty broad, standing on their shores and subverting your fellow citizenry is right up the alley. Treason. pure and simple.
China, as defined by law, is not our enemy. However, China is, weirdly, our competitor, creditor, and largest potential market for many products.
Oh, I might add, for a little insight on how little it takes to be treasonous, that John Kerry did something in meeting with the NorthVietnamese that back then evidently was not actionable. Today it would have him before a firing squad and he merely met with them in wartime. Unpatriotic here is so blatently inadequate a word as to be laughable.
John who?
I am told my family qualifies for reduced lunch/free lunch at our local Catholic school. The program has morphed into some quasi funding program.
Also ask consider this: First we had assistance programs because people didn't have enough money to live on.
Then we found out people would take their assistance checks and cash them and still have not enough money to live on.
So we come up with some new programs called housing assistance and Food stamps so the money would get spent on the right things.
We didn't just modify the assistance system already in place, no we created new programs which needed people to run them and desks for the people to set behind to do their work and budgets to fund the program.
Then we found out these folks getting food stamps still sent their kids to school without food or a way to pay for it.
Did we modify the present system? Nope. We created a new program with new people to run it and new desks to sit behind with a new budget...
Makes you wonder if we are making programs to help people or are we making programs to make government bigger?!?!
I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt vis a vis IT employment. I am a small businessman engaged in import/export trade. Please give me examples of high paying IT jobs in the USA going begging. Every year, we graduate thousands of IT hotshots from Harvard, Yale, Cornell, MIT,Johns Hopkins, RPI, Stanford,UCLA, Pomona College,Cal Tech........why are we hurting for talent?
"Makes you wonder if we are making programs to help people or are we making programs to make government bigger?!?!"
We are creating more programs, intended to fix the programs, which didn't fix the initial programs, ad nauseum, ad infinitum....and the only winners are those who are hired by the ever-bloated government hacks.
Could be but I am still having troble deciphering...
The question still stands, Did NAFTA cause unemployment to rise? Yes or no?
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China doesn't have to be our enemy by law. Japan wasn't our enemy by law until they bombed Pearl Harbor. A party acting overtly or covertly to subvert our system is by any definition an enemy. To the extent that Americans act either on their own or in concert with another government to subvert us, they have committed an overt act that is actionable. Failing to act upon it doesn't change what it is.
First off, you can't convince me that school lunch programs were/are a bad thing. It made a hugely powerful impression on me at a relatively young age.
Secondly, my opinion of welfare is probably not too different than your own. It was created and intended as a temporary measure, so that we didn't revert to the kind of deal the Victorians had in London, etc. It was never intended as a "lifestyle," much less as multi-generational.
I've actually given this some thought - the problem with gov't programs in general is that they rarely change to meet the needs of an environment. They don't evolve effectively or efficiently. Fire depts buy special equipment suited to the needs of their environment, whether it be suburban or urban. Same thing for cops and even garbage guys.
So, the question is: why can't social programs meet the needs of their environment as effectively as firemen, cops and trash collectors?
Yep that is why it annoys me that everyone wants the government to get involved in outsourcing.
Government got us here and now people want the government to fix it with newer better rules.
Yeah, that inspires confidence in me.
"Yeah, that inspires confidence in me."
: )
On my one trip to Wal-Mart I bought a salad spinner that was made in china -- am I a traitor?
I ain't asking the government to fix outsourcing. They did create the problem. What is being demanded is that it be undone - period. The more they "fix it" the more they screw us. Put it back the way it was before Nafta and stop screwing us. It isn't that hard.
Now you're being flip.
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