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Daniel Pipes : When it comes to Jew hatred, what's old is new again — but very different
Jewish World Review ^ | 2-15-05 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 02/15/2005 5:44:21 AM PST by SJackson

An eye-opening examination of worldwide trends that should lead communal leaders and others to re-consider their stances and policies

Anti-Semitism may seem to be a static, unchanging phenomenon, but in fact the obsessive hatred of Jews has a history that goes back millennia and continues to evolve.

Developments since World War II and the Holocaust have been especially fast-paced and portentous. Here are four of the most significant shifts:

From Right to Left:...

From Christian to Muslim:...

From religious to secular:...

The conflation of anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism:...

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; daniel; danielpipes; islam; muslim; pipes; terrorist
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1 posted on 02/15/2005 5:44:22 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Very interesting read.

I did take issue with this however:

"Stalin's Judeophobia was peripheral to his monstrous project but Hitler's was central to his"

I don't know how many times it has to be said but Hitler and the Nazis were NOT rightists


2 posted on 02/15/2005 5:49:03 AM PST by frankiep
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3 posted on 02/15/2005 5:52:13 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: SJackson

Does anyone else see the hand of the Adversary in all of this?


4 posted on 02/15/2005 5:53:25 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Yep, I have for a long time.


5 posted on 02/15/2005 5:56:41 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: frankiep

But...don't you think it is interesting that in Bin Laden's first manifesto after 9-11, and interviews previous to that, he completely left out Israel as a 'reason' for his jihad against the US? He tacked that on afterwards when he realized it would give strength to his motives to wipe us out. The dummy.


6 posted on 02/15/2005 6:39:04 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: SJackson
JMHO, but I think American Christians understand that hatred of Jews equals hatred of Christ. After all, my Savior is a Jew, so if I hate Jews, I hate my Savior and his people. I could never hate Jesus, and could never hate Jews. What it boils down to is this: Europeans hate Jews because they are "post-Christian", muslimes hate Jews because they hate all who are not of the cult of death, Socialists hate Jews because God competes with Socialist ideology (and that includes Nazis and Communists in the Socialist camp).

Pipes is usually pretty perceptive, and this article is a good example of that, but he does have a tendency to overthink things. Not really a problem, it just leads to some good discussions, and we need that.

7 posted on 02/15/2005 7:08:19 AM PST by Bombardier (Jihad, Nazism....Umma, Deutsches Reich.....no diff.)
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To: SJackson

It has been interesting to note how often that the names, Feith, Perle, and Wolfowitz, came up as the most frequently mentioned neocons, often as a phrase in itself, the left loved to rail on -- especially those who associated themselves with the Howard Dean campaign.

I wonder whatever happened to Howard Dean?


8 posted on 02/15/2005 7:22:44 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Bombardier
"...but I think American Christians understand that hatred of Jews equals hatred of Christ..."

What about the Jews hatred for Christians? I recently attended a party where most of the people were Jewish. I have never been around a more left-leaning, Christian hating group of people in my life.
9 posted on 02/15/2005 7:27:02 AM PST by devane617
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To: SJackson
In the stranger than strange area, many Evangelical Christians support Israel more than some Jews.
10 posted on 02/15/2005 7:29:42 AM PST by Drango (tag line under repair)
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To: devane617

That crowd is leftist first, and Jewish by accident of birth.


11 posted on 02/15/2005 7:55:44 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
I guess I never really believed a "Coastal Elite" community existed until attending the party in Miami last weekend. I could not stop thing about all the times Christians has pulled the Jews out of the fire, just to be spat upon by them.
12 posted on 02/15/2005 8:00:31 AM PST by devane617
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To: devane617

I have always shunned these parties, as i must always refrain from decking some moron there.


13 posted on 02/15/2005 8:04:06 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: devane617; sheik yerbouty; Alouette

The US Constitution recognizes the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.

The SCOTUS comes along and allows this right to be infringed, by does not take responsibilty for its action. It does not recognize a right of citizens to be protected by law enforcement agencies.

But this does not prevent wicked politicians from resenting their constituents for not being 'grateful' enough for politicians' acts of kindness (in the politicians' eyes) for providing for some law enforcement agencies.

We see this pattern repeated in foreign policy regarding Israel.

The USA for its own reasons prevents Israel from taking actions necessary for its security.

And then the USA resents Israel for not being 'grateful' enough for the USA acting 'out of kindness' (in its own eyes) because the USA has prevented Israel from acting!

And the circle and circus continues...


14 posted on 02/15/2005 8:11:36 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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15 posted on 02/15/2005 8:17:26 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: frankiep

Frankiep writes:

"I don't know how many times it has to be said but Hitler and the Nazis were NOT rightists."


Hey, we're not talking about Reagan and Bush here, but the Nazis were the ultimate in dictatorial, genocidal, megolomaniacal fascism, and if that is not on the right edge of the spectrum, I don't know what is.


16 posted on 02/15/2005 8:19:07 AM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: Bombardier
Your point is true today, but hatred and fear of "the other", and resentment over the ability of Jews to survive and thrive in spite of every obstacle in their way, led to centuries of mistreatment of the Jews by people who considered themselves to be very devout Christians.

It was the printing press and the Protestant Reformation as much as anything which changed all that. Once you have a chance to read the Bible it seems pretty clear that most of the heroes (and a few of the villains) were all Jews. Thankfully, our RCC brothers have come around to the same view in the past century or so.

Now, if we could get more Muslims to read the Bible we might make some progress there, but I'm not going to hold my breath (or give much benefit of the doubt) waiting.

I am also surprised that a scholar of Daniel Pipes' quality would continue to pay homage to the canard that the Nazis were "right wing". That's one of the biggest of the big modern lies or misconceptions.

17 posted on 02/15/2005 8:20:28 AM PST by katana
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To: Drango

That is sad but very true. I think my generation of Jews, though, is radically different from the lefty Jews of the past - and we're just finding our voice.


18 posted on 02/15/2005 8:25:07 AM PST by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: SJackson

bump


19 posted on 02/15/2005 8:27:28 AM PST by meema
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To: devane617

Unfortunately, you experienced the faction of Jews who are more secular, and the reason for their hostility to Christians is that secular Jews' "religion" is Liberalism. They see Christians as people who would potentially impose their religion on them, thus exposing them to the notion of living life in the service of G-d.

The good news is that the more observant Jews, like Rabbi Daniel Lapin, see a stronger bond between religious Jewry and Christianity, and although we don't agree on everything,(who does?)we have much in common in our beliefs for America and life's values, in general.

Just try to keep in mind that Secular Jews are not hostile to Christianity as a religion per se,, they are highly suspicious of all active religions, because many of those religious tenets fly in the face of their own religion, which ,to repeat, is Liberalism.

As Orthodox Jews, our hope and aim is to gradually "convert" these secular Jews into a more open attitude toward Jewish Orthodoxy, and thus religion in general. Hopefully, over time, they will begin to feel more comfortable as Jews, as their observance increases.


20 posted on 02/15/2005 8:36:19 AM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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