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To: FateAmenableToChange

SOME illegal abortions? How do you know there were only "some"? There were no statistics kept. Ask anyone who was a teenager or adult pre-Roe, and you will find that almost all of them knew "some" who had illegal abortions.

And if you use common sense, you will be able to figure out that very few change their behavior just because it's illegal. Do you ever drive above the speed limit? That's illegal. Did you ever drink alcohol before you were 21 (or do you drink it, if you're not yet 21)? That's illegal. Etc.


18 posted on 02/15/2005 3:00:39 PM PST by speekinout
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To: speekinout
Ask anyone who was a teenager or adult pre-Roe, and you will find that almost all of them knew "some" who had illegal abortions.

"Everyone" knows someone who has been shot, who has been raped, who is gay, who is blah, blah, blah. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." Your claim is unsupported nonsense. There has never been a single shred of proof that the pro-abortion advocates' mythical claims of millions of deaths by coathanger and back alley abortions.

Your common sense claim is typical of those who have nothing else other than blind emotion to back their claims. After all, it's common sense that guns cause crime and that more guns in private hands will lead to more shootings and more accidents. Except that those "common sense" claims are really just guesses by people who see only those facts that support their pre-existing ideologies.

Your claim that making something illegal does not change behavior is just as absurd as your claim to knowledge of the number or rate of abortions pre-Roe. There will always be people who violate the law, but society works because the vast majority of people do conform their behavior to legal requirements. How many 17-round magazines did you buy between 1993 and September 2004 that were stamped "For Law Enforcement Use Only"? How many rapes have you committed lately? Murders? Did you file your tax return last year? Pay taxes this year?

More poignantly, pre-Roe there were many children available for adoption. Post Roe, couples who cannot have children generally must leave the country to find an adoptable infant. Those mothers were obviously not all out there getting back alley abortions - the law against abortions, perhaps together with existing moral outrage against murdering babies in their mothers' wombs, clearly modified their behavior.

There's no point in continuing since both of our ideologies are obviously fixed.

19 posted on 02/15/2005 3:18:07 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: speekinout
And if you use common sense, you will be able to figure out that very few change their behavior just because it's illegal.

You mean passing laws is a waste of time? Who knew! Have you told Congress yet?

By the way, I'd encourage you to tell us which Federal laws you've broken recently. Since you're claiming that people in general don't bother conform their behavior to the law, it should be a long list. Include your name, address, and other contact information to make it easy for the appropriate law enforcement agencies.

21 posted on 02/15/2005 3:27:50 PM PST by Campion
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