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Cabinet in crackdown on 'honour killings' (In memory of Theo van Gogh)
expatica ^ | 11 Feb 2005 | expatica

Posted on 02/14/2005 2:27:25 PM PST by Cornpone

AMSTERDAM — The Dutch Cabinet has promised it will act quickly to protect seriously threatened immigrant women, many of whom are Islamic and living in fear of an "honour killing".

The cabinet partially met an impassioned plea from Liberal VVD MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who threatened during an emotional parliamentary debate on Thursday to lodge a "motion of sadness" against Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner.

Hirsi Ali, an outspoken critic of Islam, said Donner was not doing enough to protect Islamic women. In fact, she claimed the Christian Democrat CDA minister had never woken up from fairytale land, news service NOS reported.

But the motion against Donner was not tabled because the VVD faction thought such an emotionally-charged move was too extreme.

During the quickly-convened emergency debate, Donner said he would contact as soon as possible the Shelter Federation and municipal councils. The federation claims about 100 women in shelters are still in danger.

The Dutch Parliament demanded the debate after Donner and Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk refused to carry out a motion lodged with the Lower House last year. That motion had called on authorities to take extra measures to protect threatened women.

But the refusal eventually proved to be a misunderstanding after Verdonk confessed she refused to carry out the motion because she wrongly thought it had not been approved by MPs last year. She apologised to the parliament, while Donner said he had not had enough time to examine the motion in depth.

Hirsi Ali's actions led to a tense meeting between Donner, Verdonk and VVD parliamentary leader Jozias van Aartsen in The Hague. Van Aartsen said the friction between the cabinet and Hirsi Ali could have been prevented if both the cabinet and the parliament had been clearer.

But Hirsi Ali also drew criticism from VVD MPs, some of whom felt her emotional response to the matter placed the cabinet's future at threat.

A motion of sadness is not as strong a motion of no confidence, but if passed, it would have represented a very sensitive rap over the knuckles for Donner.

Nevertheless, other political parties also believe that the cabinet needs to crack down on honour killings and violence carried out by Islamic men hoping to cleanse a family's honour. Wives, daughters and sisters are primarily the victims.

A 37-year-old man who shot and killed his 32-year-old wife in front of a refuge for battered women in Koog aan de Zaan, near Zaandam, was sentenced to a nine-year jail term and indefinite psychiatric detention by Haarlem Court last December.

But the court dismissed claims the murder was an "honour killing". Nevertheless, the woman was killed on 12 March after seeking shelter at the house due to domestic abuse. The man, G. B., of Apeldoorn, tracked her down via the internet and shot her from a passing car.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ali; gogh; hirsi; holland; honor; honorkillings; islam; killings; muslimwomen; netherlands
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To: mamelukesabre

No comparison. The muslims don't even try.


21 posted on 02/14/2005 3:50:39 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: mamelukesabre
"Let's not get too holier than thou over this. American culture isn't exactly perfect in regards to respect towards women either."

America is the light of the world in treatment of women and has been since its inception. Only the Scandinavian countries can boast of a similarly strong record. Your assertion is rubbish.

22 posted on 02/14/2005 5:17:52 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Irene Adler
Do you think madonna and brittney spears are good examples of proper treatment of women?? I don't

Notice that I NEVER stated "men's treatment of women"...I specifically typed out "american culture isn't exactly perfect" on purpose, because that is exactly what I meant. I personally blame women most for our culture's mistreatment of women. American pop culture is not very kind or respectful to women at all(in my opinion)...especially the hip hop culture. In this country, (some)women treat themselves like dirt...but then maybe they deserve it. After all they seem to be debasing themselves as sex objects in order to gain power over men, and thereby indirectly gaining power over other women.

You name me one other culture, other than americanized western cultures, that have this disgusting trait that we do. Do you think muslims are blind? Don't you think they see this in america and are disgusted by it? They use it as proof that christians are evil. It's only because we are immersed in it that we don't notice it.

You Know, it really wasn't that long ago that it wasn't like this in america. There was a time when the vast majority of women wore normal clothes. I see it in my family's photo albums. It wasn't until after WWII that things started to go awry.

I really think this all started when women began to gain buying power. When there was a demand created for this crap, the sales industry accommodated that demand in order to make a profit. And it's only accelerating. Now we are even seeing silly nonsensical automobiles that are designed specifically to separate superficial women from their money.

There's a saying in retail, it goes something like this: If you want to increase profit margin, sell to women.

My assertion is not rubbish.
23 posted on 02/15/2005 1:32:52 PM PST by mamelukesabre (should men control women for their own good?)
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To: farmfriend; monkeywrench; Cornpone; Z in Oregon; RogerFGay

See my post 23


24 posted on 02/15/2005 1:36:58 PM PST by mamelukesabre (should men control women for their own good?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Thanks for the ping and an excellent, though provoking post. BTW...I remember those days too.


25 posted on 02/15/2005 1:42:58 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: mamelukesabre

I meant to say 'thought provoking' vice 'though provoking.' Sorry.


26 posted on 02/15/2005 1:45:47 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: mamelukesabre

Well, MP Hirsi Ali in this story, seems to prefer our western culture. Probably because it doesn't make one fear for their life, or female parts.


27 posted on 02/15/2005 3:53:41 PM PST by monkeywrench
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